South Asian HarappaWorld results

[Kaazi]

Have you contacted the first sample? If yes then it is a khaati-jangid sample from Rajasthan and not a Rajasthani brahmin. I would request you to write that in bracket, so that it becomes easier for anyone going through it. Looks like Khaati-jangid-suthar follow similar pattern to Punjabi Tarkhan/Ramgariha in their state of Rajasthan. Very very interesting ! I had once said to a friend that suthar, khati, jangid can score different to general perception.

He's clearly a Jangid Vishwakarma based on his fb profile, his family and kins use surnames like Jangid, Sharma and Vishwakarma. They follow a fb page "Suthar Jangid Vishwakarma Samaj"-caste organization.

He matches good 28 cM with the confirmed Saraswat Brahmin; his profile look no different than Brahmins; they're at least of Brahminical descent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jangid

[VoodooKing]

He's clearly a Jangid Vishwakarma Brahmin based on his fb profile, his family and kins use surnames like Jangid, Sharma and Vishwakarma. They follow a fb page "Suthar Jangid Vishwakarma Samaj"-caste organization.

He matches good 28 cM with the confirmed Saraswat Brahmin; his profile look no different than Brahmins; they're at least of Brahminical descent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jangid

You are right on first but not correct on second. Khaati is a separate community comes under obc, matches means nothing. That doesn't mean the Sharma who is brahmin and khaati guy belong to same community. Khaati are caste similar to Punjabi Ramgariha ( an occupational based carpentry community). Historically, either they might have been Brahmin ( probably Saraswat or who knows some other sect) took to different profession under various circumstances or could be some other reasons. Point here was on the samples's present community.

[Kaazi]

You are right on first but not correct on second. Khaati is a separate community comes under obc, matches means nothing. That doesn't mean the Sharma who is brahmin and khaati guy belong to same community. Khaati are caste similar to Punjabi Ramgariha ( an occupational based carpentry community). Historically, either they might have been Brahmin ( probably Saraswat or who knows some other sect) took to different profession under various circumstances or could be some other reasons. Point here was on the samples's present community.

Have you contacted the first sample? If yes then it is a khaati-jangid sample from Rajasthan and not a Rajasthani brahmin. I would request you to write that in bracket, so that it becomes easier for anyone going through it. Looks like Khaati-jangid-suthar follow similar pattern to Punjabi Tarkhan/Ramgariha in their state of Rajasthan. Very very interesting ! I had once said to a friend that suthar, khati, jangid can score different to general perception.

Interesting. Internet searches showed Vishwakarma Brahmin and the kit looked ditto Brahmin+Sharma title; so wrote. I was also surprised how a Vishwakarma (occupational caste) was referred as a Brahmin; is this also called "Kaami" (occupational/metalsmith caste) like Monkeydluffy says Punjabi Tarkhans are also called "Kaami" in Punjab? In Nepal, "Vishwakarma" and "Kaami" are synonymous word for the same metalsmith caste- weaponry, jewellers/goldsmiths and metal workers. I wonder if this same pattern continues for "Kaami caste" from Nepal compared to Nepali Brahmins?? How do they score ditto? Do these occupational caste have a direct or shared ancestry with Brahmins of their regions??


Btw, how do you write/pronounce Khaati -->खाती?? Surprisingly, "Khaati (खाती)" is a Kshatriya (Chhetri) name in Nepal rather than Brahmins or occupational castes.

[VoodooKing]

Interesting. Internet searches showed Vishwakarma Brahmin and the kit looked ditto Brahmin+Sharma title; so wrote. I was also surprised how a Vishwakarma (occupational caste) was referred as a Brahmin; is this also called "Kaami" (occupational/metalsmith caste) like Monkeydluffy says Punjabi Tarkhans are also called "Kaami" in Punjab? In Nepal, "Vishwakarma" and "Kaami" are synonymous word for the same metalsmith caste- weaponry, jewellers/goldsmiths and metal workers. I wonder if this same pattern continues for "Kaami caste" from Nepal compared to Nepali Brahmins?? How do they score ditto? Do these occupational caste have a direct or shared ancestry with Brahmins of their regions??


Btw, how do you write/pronounce Khaati -->खाती?? Surprisingly, "Khaati (खाती)" is a Kshatriya (Chhetri) name in Nepal rather than Brahmins or occupational castes.

Khaati word similarity 1000 km apart doesn't mean same. The word khaati would be in many community of different region but the context would be different. It is the context that can give some idea

[VoodooKing]

Interesting. Internet searches showed Vishwakarma Brahmin and the kit looked ditto Brahmin+Sharma title; so wrote. I was also surprised how a Vishwakarma (occupational caste) was referred as a Brahmin; is this also called "Kaami" (occupational/metalsmith caste) like Monkeydluffy says Punjabi Tarkhans are also called "Kaami" in Punjab? In Nepal, "Vishwakarma" and "Kaami" are synonymous word for the same metalsmith caste- weaponry, jewellers/goldsmiths and metal workers. I wonder if this same pattern continues for "Kaami caste" from Nepal compared to Nepali Brahmins?? How do they score ditto? Do these occupational caste have a direct or shared ancestry with Brahmins of their regions??


Btw, how do you write/pronounce Khaati -->खाती?? Surprisingly, "Khaati (खाती)" is a Kshatriya (Chhetri) name in Nepal rather than Brahmins or occupational castes.

I don't think so in east it would be same, various results in some papers gives the idea of it. It is mostly related to Saraswat Brahmin case.
I had once told a friend that if Ramgariha are scoring same to Punjabi Brahmin, Khati-Suthar-Jangid of RJ- portion of GUJ, HR can also do it wrt Brahmin of their belt ( got to do with Saraswat Brahmin).

[VoodooKing]

Last name : Sen ( Bengali Kayastha ???? ) ( Just a guess here)
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 49.52
2 Baloch 27.95
3 NE-Euro 7.61
4 NE-Asian 4.01
5 Caucasian 2.95
6 SE-Asian 2.22
7 SW-Asian 1.9
8 American 1.51
9 Mediterranean 1.14
10 Beringian 0.67
11 W-African 0.53

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 caribbean-indian (harappa) 4.75
2 bihari (harappa) 5
3 sri-lankan (harappa) 5.43
4 bengali (harappa) 6.16
5 srivastava (reich) 6.33
6 up-muslim (metspalu) 6.83
7 up (harappa) 6.84
8 kerala-muslim (harappa) 7.14
9 dharkar (metspalu) 8
10 ap-hyderabad (harappa) 8
11 kanjar (metspalu) 8.05
12 tharu (metspalu) 8.1
13 ap-brahmin (xing) 8.41
14 bihari-muslim (harappa) 8.45
15 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 8.48
16 rajasthani (harappa) 8.75
17 andhra-pradesh (harappa) 8.82
18 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 8.91
19 tamil (harappa) 8.93
20 maharashtrian (harappa) 9.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.7% nepalese-a (xing) + 45.3% chenchu (reich) @ 3.23
2 70.7% bengali-brahmin (harappa) + 29.3% chenchu (reich) @ 3.29
3 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% chinese-american (hapmap) @ 3.38
4 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% tujia (hgdp) @ 3.39
5 96.3% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.7% chinese-beijing (1000genomes) @ 3.39
6 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% han (hgdp) @ 3.39
7 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 3.39
8 52.4% satnami (reich) + 47.6% nepalese-a (xing) @ 3.4
9 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% chinese (xing) @ 3.4
10 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% she (hgdp) @ 3.4
11 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% yi (hgdp) @ 3.41
12 94.7% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 5.3% garo (chaubey) @ 3.41
13 96.2% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.8% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 3.41
14 96.3% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.7% han-nchina (hgdp) @ 3.42
15 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% naxi (hgdp) @ 3.42
16 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% miao (hgdp) @ 3.43
17 94.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 5.9% nepalese-b (xing) @ 3.43
18 96.1% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.9% tu (hgdp) @ 3.44
19 94.7% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 5.3% burmanese (chaubey) @ 3.45
20 96.3% caribbean-indian (harappa) + 3.7% japanese (hgdp) @ 3.46

[dante911]

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[dante911]

I was also surprised how a Vishwakarma (occupational caste) was referred as a Brahmin;.

Well, this is a case of sanskritisation. Just like many castes which started claiming kshatriya descent during the colonial censuses for various reasons, vishwakarma(carpenter, ironsmith based occupational groups) communities across India started claiming brahmin descent.

[preetam]

Rajasthani Jangid Vishwakarma from Jaipur (Upmanyu) 163847 SNPs used in this evaluation mt-dna: M30c, y-haplo: F
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 38.96
2 S-Indian 33.53
3 NE-Euro 10.48
4 Caucasian 10.37
5 Mediterranean 2.32
6 Beringian 1.28
7 SE-Asian 1.01
8 SW-Asian 0.88
9 Papuan 0.54
10 NE-Asian 0.52
11 San 0.11

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 2.5
2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 2.51
3 punjabi (harappa) 3.29
4 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 3.59
5 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 3.82
6 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 3.86
7 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 4.8
8 up-muslim (harappa) 5.73
9 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 5.88
10 kashmiri (harappa) 6.36
11 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 6.37
12 punjabi-arain (xing) 6.49
13 nepalese-a (xing) 6.67
14 up-brahmin (harappa) 7.18
15 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 7.18
16 sindhi (harappa) 8.26
17 sindhi (hgdp) 9.15
18 haryana-jatt (harappa) 9.6
19 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 9.88
20 bhatia (harappa) 10.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 6% romanian-b (behar) @ 1.46
2 96.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.2% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 1.7
3 96.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.2% bulgarian (yunusbayev) @ 1.71
4 96.9% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.1% italian (hgdp) @ 1.73
5 96.7% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.3% romanian-a (behar) @ 1.73
6 96.7% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.3% ashkenazi (harappa) @ 1.75
7 96.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.2% ashkenazy-jew (behar) @ 1.79
8 97.7% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.3% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.85
9 97% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3% sephardic-jew (behar) @ 1.86
10 97.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.2% sardinian (hgdp) @ 1.87
11 97.4% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.6% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.88
12 97.1% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.9% morocco-jew (behar) @ 1.88
13 97.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.7% hungarian (behar) @ 1.9
14 97.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.7% slovenian (xing) @ 1.9
15 97.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.7% cypriot (behar) @ 1.91
16 97.8% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.2% tunisia (henn2012) @ 1.91
17 97.3% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 2.7% french (hgdp) @ 1.91
18 97.7% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.3% morocco-n (henn2012) @ 1.92
19 97.5% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 2.5% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 1.94
20 96.8% singapore-indian-c (sgvp) + 3.2% turk-aydin (hodoglugil) @ 1.95


Rajasthani Saraswat Brahmin (Sharma (Vashishtha gotra) dad from Jaipur/mom from Bharatpur) 52859 SNPs used in this evaluation y-haplo: J-L24, mt haplo: W1c
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 36.74
2 S-Indian 36.07
3 NE-Euro 11.14
4 Caucasian 11.09
5 Mediterranean 2.11
6 Beringian 1.38
7 American 1.05
8 SW-Asian 0.28
9 Siberian 0.14

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 punjabi-brahmin (harappa) 4.1
2 singapore-indian-c (sgvp) 5.01
3 kashmiri-pandit (reich) 5.13
4 up-muslim (harappa) 5.19
5 punjabi (harappa) 5.26
6 up-brahmin (harappa) 5.77
7 punjabi-ramgarhia (harappa) 5.89
8 kashmiri-pahari (harappa) 6.03
9 punjabi-jatt-muslim (harappa) 6.82
10 nepalese-a (xing) 7.23
11 kashmiri (harappa) 7.46
12 punjabi-khatri (harappa) 7.84
13 gujarati-muslim (harappa) 8
14 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 8.01
15 punjabi-jatt-sikh (harappa) 8.36
16 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 9.07
17 punjabi-arain (xing) 9.34
18 bihari-muslim (harappa) 9.76
19 vaish (reich) 10.18
20 gujarati-b (hapmap) 10.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.3% up-brahmin (harappa) + 7.7% georgian (behar) @ 1.81
2 92% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 1.81
3 81.8% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 18.2% urkarah (xing) @ 1.87
4 81.5% gujarati-b (hapmap) + 18.5% stalskoe (xing) @ 2.02
5 91.3% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.7% armenian (behar) @ 2.03
6 50.6% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 49.4% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) @ 2.1
7 89.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 2.13
8 91.1% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.9% adygei (hgdp) @ 2.17
9 94% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 6% irula (xing) @ 2.19
10 91.1% up-brahmin (harappa) + 8.9% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 2.19
11 89.8% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.2% lezgin (behar) @ 2.2
12 89.7% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.3% kurd (xing) @ 2.23
13 56.9% punjabi-khatri (harappa) + 43.1% vaish (reich) @ 2.24
14 90.5% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9.5% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 2.25
15 94.2% punjabi-brahmin (harappa) + 5.8% pulliyar (metspalu) @ 2.27
16 91% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 2.27
17 88.8% up-brahmin (harappa) + 11.2% iranian (harappa) @ 2.28
18 90.1% up-brahmin (harappa) + 9.9% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 2.32
19 81.1% up-kshatriya (metspalu) + 18.9% urkarah (xing) @ 2.33
20 89.9% up-brahmin (harappa) + 10.1% azeri (harappa) @ 2.35

 

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baloch 36.74
2 S-Indian 36.07
3 NE-Euro 11.14
4 Caucasian 11.09
5 Mediterranean 2.11
6 Beringian 1.38
7 American 1.05


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 4.495478
2 singapore-indian-c_sgvp @ 5.491072
3 up-muslim_harappa @ 5.572036
4 kashmiri-pandit_reich @ 5.603673
5 punjabi_harappa @ 5.704120
6 rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 6.010668
7 up-brahmin_harappa @ 6.395309
8 punjabi-ramgarhia_harappa @ 6.458828
9 kashmiri-pahari_harappa @ 6.606987
10 pushtikar-brahmin_harappa @ 6.892778
11 punjabi-jatt-muslim_harappa @ 7.319284
12 bihari-brahmin_harappa @ 7.685260
13 nepali_harappa @ 7.704557
14 nepalese-a_xing @ 7.896502
15 kashmiri_harappa @ 8.170032
16 punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 8.631877
17 gujarati-muslim_harappa @ 8.709626
18 brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu @ 8.907439
19 punjabi-jatt-sikh_harappa @ 9.179282
20 bengali-brahmin_harappa @ 10.007977

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu +50% punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.235826


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% punjabi-khatri_harappa +25% rajasthani-brahmin_harappa +25% up-muslim_metspalu @ 2.048041


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 hallaki_reich + haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 1.707199
2 gujarati-a_hapmap + gujarati-b_hapmap + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 1.908305
3 hallaki_reich + haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-brahmin_harappa @ 1.950071
4 chamar_metspalu + haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 1.962388
5 haryana-jatt_harappa + lodi_reich + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.008390
6 haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + piramalai-kallar_metspalu + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 2.028010
7 punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + up-muslim_metspalu @ 2.048041
8 gujarati-a_hapmap + meena_metspalu + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.060349
9 gujarati-b_hapmap + gujarati-patel_harappa + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.077991
10 punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + srivastava_reich @ 2.079054
11 gujarati-a_1000genomes + gujarati-b_hapmap + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.084391
12 gujarati-a_hapmap + oriya_harappa + up-kshatriya_metspalu + urkarah_xing @ 2.086365
13 punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa + sourastrian_harappa @ 2.089565
14 caribbean-indian_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 2.104856
15 brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu + gujarati-patel_harappa + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.110285
16 brahmin-uttar-pradesh_metspalu + gujarati-a_hapmap + oriya_harappa + urkarah_xing @ 2.119336
17 haryana-jatt_harappa + punjabi-brahmin_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa + sourastrian_harappa @ 2.120762
18 ap-hyderabad_harappa + haryana-jatt_harappa + punjabi-brahmin_harappa + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.124299
19 bhil_reich + haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + punjabi-khatri_harappa @ 2.126519
20 haryana-jatt_harappa + kalash_hgdp + kurumba_metspalu + rajasthani-brahmin_harappa @ 2.134745

This Saraswat Brahmin's relative 188cM match second cousin is that Pachori guy (y-haplo:R-L266, mt haplo:M30) discussed above.

I was expecting khatis to be score similar to Punjabi tarkhans...
At present they're not Brahmin but it is strong possibility that they could be from Brahmins in ancient times.
Reason could be similar to Tyagi's, bhumihars.
As they're claiming themselves jangid Brahmins
According to genetic it is right but according to present scenario they're not Brahmins.
But if we are considering tyagis or bhumihars Brahmins then we should also do this same with Jangirs but only According to history.

[preetam]

Do we have Rajasthani Gaur Brahmin samples?

Pls post if we have