South Asian HarappaWorld results

[BMG]

https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L939/ has those Europeans and Georgians which the Oberoi shares.

Only this 2 branch of L56 has S/SC Asian samples.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L940/ has three samples: Kerala sample, Pushto speaker from Pakistan, a Pakistani.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Z5902/ also has 3 South Asian samples: 2 Sri Lankans and 1 Pushto speaker from Pakistan.

Some knanaya Christians from Kerala are under L939. Also I remember a Telugu L939 sample.

[surasena]

UP Kayastha (Mathur)

 

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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 47.41
2 Baloch 35.94
3 NE-Euro 10.3
4 SE-Asian 2.42
5 Beringian 1.52
6 SW-Asian 1.15
7 Papuan 0.7
8 Caucasian 0.3
9 American 0.2
10 Pygmy 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 vaish (reich) 5.39
2 up-kshatriya (metspalu) 5.55
3 ap-brahmin (xing) 5.83
4 iyengar-brahmin (harappa) 5.88
5 karnataka-brahmin (harappa) 6.14
6 gujarati (harappa) 6.31
7 meghawal (reich) 6.49
8 srivastava (reich) 6.6
9 iyer-brahmin (harappa) 6.7
10 maharashtrian (harappa) 6.81
11 bihari (harappa) 6.98
12 gujarati-b (hapmap) 7
13 brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) 7.06
14 up (harappa) 7.19
15 bengali-brahmin (harappa) 7.4
16 singapore-indian-b (sgvp) 7.45
17 tn-brahmin (xing) 7.67
18 dharkar (metspalu) 7.71
19 brahmin-tamil-nadu (metspalu) 7.76
20 rajasthani (harappa) 7.79

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.3% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 11.7% finnish (1000genomes) @ 3.38
2 87% gujarati-patel (harappa) + 13% finnish (1000genomes) @ 3.56
3 86.8% gujarati-a (hapmap) + 13.2% russian (behar) @ 4.06
4 87.5% gujarati-a (hapmap) + 12.5% lithuanian (behar) @ 4.09
5 56.6% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) + 43.4% kanjar (metspalu) @ 4.11
6 86.2% gujarati-a (hapmap) + 13.8% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.12
7 52.5% kanjar (metspalu) + 47.5% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 4.16
8 86.9% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 13.1% russian (hgdp) @ 4.22
9 53.2% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) + 46.8% dharkar (metspalu) @ 4.23
10 87.8% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 12.2% lithuanian (behar) @ 4.23
11 86.9% gujarati-a (hapmap) + 13.1% belorussian (behar) @ 4.26
12 69.6% vaish (reich) + 30.4% kanjar (metspalu) @ 4.32
13 70.9% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) + 29.1% dusadh (metspalu) @ 4.36
14 56.2% dharkar (metspalu) + 43.8% up-brahmin (harappa) @ 4.38
15 95.6% ap-brahmin (xing) + 4.4% finnish (1000genomes) @ 4.4
16 74.6% kanjar (metspalu) + 25.4% haryana-jatt (harappa) @ 4.4
17 86.7% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 13.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.42
18 87.3% gujarati-a (1000genomes) + 12.7% russian (behar) @ 4.42
19 67.2% vaish (reich) + 32.8% dharkar (metspalu) @ 4.43
20 69.5% brahmin-uttar-pradesh (metspalu) + 30.5% lodi (reich) @ 4.45

Mathurs are found in Rajasthan, Delhi and West UP, is it confirmed UP sample? Well anyways they are said to have their origins Mathura, which makes sense.
Kayasthas score pretty high NE and S-Indian. Haven't seen these kind of ratios in any other community. I don't know what could explain their ethnogenesis.
Also, this one interestingly scores nil Caucasian, whereas the Bhatnagar has 7+, despite these sub-clans having similar geographic spread.

Mantri is a common surname all over India, looking at this result it doesn't seem to be a Marwadi Bania, looks more similar to Marathis.

Ya, surprisingly she seems to be a religious Buddhist; only genes inherited. Typical Sinhalese kit probably scores like this.

[B]
Thank you very much. Interesting, he's a Kanyakubja from Agra West UP and also has a G25 coord. Let's see how he scores as he's lower SI than other UP Brahmins.

Sapporo had labelled it as Agra, I just copy-pasted the profile.

Kanyakubja from Agra? We mostly have Sanadhyas in Agra. Could be a recent migrant or even an old settler not sure tbh. Seems to be transitional between West and Central UP. Just where they are primarily located.

[Kaazi]

Mathurs are found in Rajasthan, Delhi and West UP, is it confirmed UP sample? Well anyways they are said to have their origins Mathura, which makes sense.
Kayasthas score pretty high NE and S-Indian. Haven't seen these kind of ratios in any other community. I don't know what could explain their ethnogenesis.
Also, this one interestingly scores nil Caucasian, whereas the Bhatnagar has 7+, despite these sub-clans having similar geographic spread.

Mantri is a common surname all over India, looking at this result it doesn't seem to be a Marwadi Bania, looks more similar to Marathis.



Sapporo had labelled it as Agra, I just copy-pasted the profile.

Kanyakubja from Agra? We mostly have Sanadhyas in Agra. Could be a recent migrant or even an old settler not sure tbh. Seems to be transitional between West and Central UP. Just where they are primarily located.

The Tiwari could be a Central UP settler in Agra if Kanyakubja group are not native in the region. I think you may be right, sometimes people migrate early on and identify themselves with modern cities. Many of these urban samples doesn't make sense like the Lucknow UP Brahmins from Mondal et al 2016 had 10% East Asian.

He's also very close to East UP-Bihari Brahmins.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post875142


Edit: He's also only 33% "Baloch" which seems atypical for West UP. I mean the other Pachori, 4 Tyagis, and Bharatpur Brahmin is also higher "Baloch".

[Bengali]

Mathurs are found in Rajasthan, Delhi and West UP, is it confirmed UP sample? Well anyways they are said to have their origins Mathura, which makes sense.
Kayasthas score pretty high NE and S-Indian. Haven't seen these kind of ratios in any other community. I don't know what could explain their ethnogenesis.
Also, this one interestingly scores nil Caucasian, whereas the Bhatnagar has 7+, despite these sub-clans having similar geographic spread.

Mantri is a common surname all over India, looking at this result it doesn't seem to be a Marwadi Bania, looks more similar to Marathis.



Sapporo had labelled it as Agra, I just copy-pasted the profile.

Kanyakubja from Agra? We mostly have Sanadhyas in Agra. Could be a recent migrant or even an old settler not sure tbh. Seems to be transitional between West and Central UP. Just where they are primarily located.

This was really interesting to me to see, that Kayasthas score higher S Indian. My family on average scores 52-53% S Indian, when the average Bangladeshi scores 47%. However, we score less NE Euro than the average Kayastha. Do you think the high S Indian could be a result of the fact that we have a Kayastha base, but then over several hundred years we mixed with tribal populations after converting to Islam, and hence we have less NE Euro? Many Kayasthas converted to Islam in Bangladesh, at least from what I've read about the community.

In terms of ethnogenesis, do you think that perhaps the high S Indian is a result of Kayasthas possibly coming to Bengal during the Sen Dynasty, which I think has it's roots in Karnataka? Perhaps the Sen Dynasty was later incorporated into the Kayastha community?

[MonkeyDLuffy]

Are you talking about the kits that you posted? 5 out of those 6 kits are clearly not Rajasthani Rajputs (even the Chauhan kit is a Bihari Rajput (Aurangabad side) settler in Jaipur, Rajasthan). I don't know about the rest lone Katarya kit though.

The Katariya kit was posted by agentlime I think. The person is from northern Rajasthan. There were more Rajasthani rajputs posted by others as well. I usually take the guess from surname, and matches if the kit owner doesn't reply.

[Mahalat]

This was really interesting to me to see, that Kayasthas score higher S Indian. My family on average scores 52-53% S Indian, when the average Bangladeshi scores 47%. However, we score less NE Euro than the average Kayastha. Do you think the high S Indian could be a result of the fact that we have a Kayastha base, but then over several hundred years we mixed with tribal populations after converting to Islam, and hence we have less NE Euro? Many Kayasthas converted to Islam in Bangladesh, at least from what I've read about the community.

In terms of ethnogenesis, do you think that perhaps the high S Indian is a result of Kayasthas possibly coming to Bengal during the Sen Dynasty, which I think has it's roots in Karnataka? Perhaps the Sen Dynasty was later incorporated into the Kayastha community?

There’s nothing that indicates a specific Kayastha base for your results. That doesn’t rule it out but again, nothing to prove it either. Your lower NE Euro is a big difference between your results and Bengali Kayasthas. Your ancestors could possibly have been Mahishya (one of the largest groups in Bengal) or Sadgops, nothing to rule them out either. There is simply no way of knowing unless you have a family tree that goes far back enough to your Hindu/Buddhist ancestors

[Bengali]

There’s nothing that indicates a specific Kayastha base for your results. That doesn’t rule it out but again, nothing to prove it either. Your lower NE Euro is a big difference between your results and Bengali Kayasthas. Your ancestors could possibly have been Mahishya (one of the largest groups in Bengal) or Sadgops, nothing to rule them out either. There is simply no way of knowing unless you have a family tree that goes far back enough to your Hindu/Buddhist ancestors

Thank you! What do you think accounts for the high S Indian in Kayasthas? Would the Sen Dynasty be plausible?

[Mahalat]

Thank you! What do you think accounts for the high S Indian in Kayasthas? Would the Sen Dynasty be plausible?

See, the Sen dynasty and “Carnatic expansion” occurred almost 1000 years ago so it’s impact would be negligible today. Kayastha results resemble middle castes of their region. My guess is they assimilated various rural castes who took up the profession of scribes.

[ammi]

The Tiwari could be a Central UP settler in Agra if Kanyakubja group are not native in the region. I think you may be right, sometimes people migrate early on and identify themselves with modern cities. Many of these urban samples doesn't make sense like the Lucknow UP Brahmins from Mondal et al 2016 had 10% East Asian.

He's also very close to East UP-Bihari Brahmins.
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post875142


Edit: He's also only 33% "Baloch" which seems atypical for West UP. I mean the other Pachori, 4 Tyagis, and Bharatpur Brahmin is also higher "Baloch".

What you said could be right but then again he has noticeably higher "Caucasian" (8.5%) than typical East UP/Bihari Brahmin samples, some of his Baloch could have moved to Caucasian though. He has higher Caucasian than the below Tyagi sample for example.

Here is Tyagi sample from UP (mostly West UP)

Up Brahmin(Tyagi)


# Population Percent
1 S-Indian 37.86
2 Baloch 36.29
3 NE-Euro 15.64
4 Caucasian 6.92
5 Siberian 1.75
6 American 0.62
7 NE-Asian 0.57
8 E-African 0.28
9 Pygmy 0.08

[Bengali]

See, the Sen dynasty and “Carnatic expansion” occurred almost 1000 years ago so it’s impact would be negligible today. Kayastha results resemble middle castes of their region. My guess is they assimilated various rural castes who took up the profession of scribes.

I'm very unfamiliar with the caste system so please take what I say with a grain of salt. But wouldn't they have been endogamous, thereby preserving the S Indian ancestry?