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Thread: Basque Speaking P312 Origin Debunked

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Interesting, wonder if there's any planned Sardinian aDNA papers ?
    I made mention of the abstract in my opening post:

    We analyzed genome-wide capture data (~1.2 millions SNPs) of 26 ancient Sardinians spanning the Neolithic, Copper Age, and Bronze Age, including individuals from Sardinia's Nuragic culture.
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    Something I found that is interesting. From Natalie M. Myres et al (EJHG, Jan. 2011), Table S4. Bouches du Rhone (at mouth): S116* was found at 32.4%. Again, I am assuming because this is Southern France, that it is mostly DF27. This area includes Marseille. An old map of Gaul, shows this area as being part of Gallia Narbonensis, and this particular area being the home of the Salyes or Salluvii.

    This is from Wiki: "The hill-top oppida originally inhabited by Ligures at the time of Massilia's foundation about 600 BC, which were strung out between the fords of the Rhône and Durance and the approaches to the Alpine passes, were not bound together by any uniting force; according to Strabo the older Greeks called these people Ligyes, and their territory Ligystike. Celtic cultural encroachments from the mid-3rd century BC are revealed in the archaeological record,[3] and by the time of Strabo some authorities considered them a "mixed race" of Galli and Ligurians (hence Celtoligyes).[2]"

    This stretch from Marseille to the Alps, and southern France has some of the highest concentrations of S116*, based on Table S4, outside of Spain.

    Var (coastal, E of Rhone): 35.3%
    Vaucluse (upstream Rhone): 29.5%
    Alpes de Haute Provence: 29%
    Southern France: 28.9%

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    I made mention of the abstract in my opening post:
    Note to self, pay more attention : )

    Anyhow, great hopefully this'll be with us in the not too distant future.

    Don't think this one got mentioned on twitter ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Don't think this one got mentioned on twitter ?
    It did not, unfortunetly. Its presentation at ISBA was at 9AM, I suppose it was too early for most?
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y168273 Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    It did not, unfortunetly. Its presentation at ISBA was at 9AM, I suppose it was too early for most?
    : ))))))))

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    Note to self, pay more attention : )

    Anyhow, great hopefully this'll be with us in the not too distant future.

    Don't think this one got mentioned on twitter ?
    a glimpse of the results was already featured in the abstract
    https://eventpilot.us/web/page.php?p...8&id=180122204
    We confirm that ancient Sardinian samples show a strong affinity to early Neolithic samples and a near complete absence of the “Steppe” ancestry associated with Bronze Age expansions on the mainland

    all the more curious for the Y and mt haplogroups though;
    Geno2.0NG 51%SEurope 19%WCEurope 13%Scandinavia 5%AsiaMinor 4%EEurope 4%GB&Ireland 3%Arabia myOrigins 52%WCEurope 40%SEEurope 5%BritishIsles 3%WMiddleEast DNA.Land 49%NWEuropean 27%SEuropean 13%MedIslander 11%Sardinian myHeritage 51.8%NWEuropean 33.2%Italian 7.9%Greek&SouthItalian 7.1%Balkan gencove 29%NItaly 19%EMed 15%NBritishIsles 12%SWEurope 10%NCEurope 9%Scandinavia 6%NEEurope GenePlazaK29 54.4%NWEurope 37.6%Greek/Albania 5.6%WAsian 2.4%SWAsia

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdean View Post
    : ))))))))
    Hey I suppose people would rather sleep a bit longer than hearing the same BB bronze age invasion scenario for the 100th time ahah
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y168273 Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Hey I suppose people would rather sleep a bit longer than hearing the same BB bronze age invasion scenario for the 100th time ahah
    Only in this case it was an invasion that didn't happen : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexfritz View Post
    a glimpse of the results was already featured in the abstract
    https://eventpilot.us/web/page.php?p...8&id=180122204
    We confirm that ancient Sardinian samples show a strong affinity to early Neolithic samples and a near complete absence of the “Steppe” ancestry associated with Bronze Age expansions on the mainland

    all the more curious for the Y and mt haplogroups though;
    I suspect (guess) something like a 85/15 percent split between I2a1-M26 and G2a.
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    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    I suspect something like a 85/15 percent split between I2a1-M26 and G2a.
    since sardinia was first settled in the neolithic i would expect those first settlers solely G2a but the bronze age dominant I2a from italy(remedello likes) and iberia; but always expect surprises;
    Geno2.0NG 51%SEurope 19%WCEurope 13%Scandinavia 5%AsiaMinor 4%EEurope 4%GB&Ireland 3%Arabia myOrigins 52%WCEurope 40%SEEurope 5%BritishIsles 3%WMiddleEast DNA.Land 49%NWEuropean 27%SEuropean 13%MedIslander 11%Sardinian myHeritage 51.8%NWEuropean 33.2%Italian 7.9%Greek&SouthItalian 7.1%Balkan gencove 29%NItaly 19%EMed 15%NBritishIsles 12%SWEurope 10%NCEurope 9%Scandinavia 6%NEEurope GenePlazaK29 54.4%NWEurope 37.6%Greek/Albania 5.6%WAsian 2.4%SWAsia

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