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    I just read about the Basque language.
    The Basque language has some typological parallels with Eastern Eurasian languages such as the Uralic, Altaics, Yeniseic,Chukchi and the like: combination of agglutinativity and absence of a cluster of consonants at the beginning of a word.
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    In addition, no grammatical gender, no prepositions in the Basque language as in the Uralic and other Eastern languages.
    Basque looks very "Uralic" and "Eastern".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ral View Post
    In addition, no grammatical gender, no prepositions in the Basque language as in the Uralic and other Eastern languages.
    Basque looks very "Uralic" and "Eastern".
    That seems even more farfetched than the Basque-Caucasian theory, to be honest
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    That seems even more farfetched than the Basque-Caucasian theory, to be honest
    Basque has some typological similarities with a part of Caucasian languages, but for example, Basque consonantism is much closer to consonantism of Uralic languages than the Caucasian languages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ral View Post
    I just read about the Basque language.
    The Basque language has some typological parallels with Eastern Eurasian languages such as the Uralic, Altaic, Yeniseic,Chukchi and the like: combination of agglutinativity and absence of a cluster of consonants at the beginning of a word.
    "Typological parallels" are not very significant, especially when you are comparing languages that exhibit typological features that are most common worldwide (e.g. agglutination, SOV word order, suffixing morphology, lack of word-initial consonant clusters). In fact, at least the first three of those features (agglutination, SOV word order, and suffixing morphology) are highly intercorrelated, so it is questionable to even consider them as independent features. The probability that the languages being compared share these features by random coincidence is very high.

    Actually, even lack of word-initial consonant clusters may be correlated with the other typological features that I have listed. One way in which word-initial consonant clusters may form diachronically is as a result of syncope of an unstressed vowel of what was formerly a prefix, so prefixing languages may be more likely to develop word-initial consonant clusters in the first place.

    Another problem with consonant clusters is that they are relatively unstable over time. Despite the fact that Korean is a predominantly agglutinative, suffixing, SOV language, it historically had some word-initial consonant clusters. These clusters have decayed over the past five centuries (probably during the 16th century in most of the Korean-speaking territory), resulting in modern Korean "tense" or "glottalized" consonants. Additional traces of the former consonant clusters (besides tensing/glottalization) can be observed only in a few words in the modern language, e.g. jopssal "foxtail millet, grain obtained from Setaria italica grass" < Middle Korean joh "Setaria italica" + Middle Korean bsɔl "raw grain, [esp.] uncooked grains of rice," hamkke "together" < Middle Korean hɔn "one" + Middle Korean bsgŭi (it is not entirely clear what this element originally meant, nor whether it was monomorphemic or a fusion of a noun followed by a case marker, but some people consider it to be related to Modern Korean kki "a meal"). That is to say, a language may change (as the Korean language appears to have changed) from lacking word-initial consonant clusters to having them to lacking them again, all in the course of a mere millennium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebizur View Post

    Actually, even lack of word-initial consonant clusters may be correlated with the other typological features that I have listed.
    i know about this teoretic relations.
    However, the typological closeness of languages increases the likelihood that these languages are distant relatives or developed close to each other.
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    Professional linguists pay attention to this.
    Basq. ate,atal ; hungar. ajto, atal ; pra-eniseyan. a(j)t-,atul - door;
    Basq. ur, eniseyan ur - water;
    And some other lexical paralleles.

    Basq. "golde" - plough is related to latin "culto" - the same;
    It turns out that the "Neolithic farmers" Basques borrowed from the Pra-latin "cattle breeders" the term for the plough. It's very strange.

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