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    Have there been any studies on Norman families in the British Isles?

    This is perhaps a not so general question, however this seemed to be the most fitting place to ask it.

    Specifically on families known to have settled in England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland. Specifically this question may be more directed towards Hiberno-Norman families, perhaps aimed at the de Angulos and their septs like Mac Jordan Duff, Mac Phillip, de Bhaldraithe/Mac Bhaldrin/Waldron? Or other families like the FitzGeralds, Butlers, de Exeters (Mac Siúrtáin), de Bermingham, Mac Eoin Bissett, etc.

    Perhaps my google-fu isn't up to snuff with this, but I can't seem to find much in the way of any "studies" on these family groups. I've found the Normans to be of particular interest as of late, considering how they ended up involved in the affairs of Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England and even further afield.

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    Yes. Oops, I seem to have forgot to clarify that in my original post.

    To start that ball rolling, I know that a descendant of Robert fitz Martin, lord of Cemais, has had his Y-DNA tested and his haplogroup is allegedly R-M198

    I'm curious to know if there may be more Y-DNA results for these Norman lineages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Yes. Oops, I seem to have forgot to clarify that in my original post.

    To start that ball rolling, I know that a descendant of Robert fitz Martin, lord of Cemais, has had his Y-DNA tested and his haplogroup is allegedly R-M198

    I'm curious to know if there may be more Y-DNA results for these Norman lineages.
    You could join the British Nobles Barons Gentry project at FTDNA and email an admin because there must be some testers there. I'd be curious to know more too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADogsSon View Post
    A single descendant? Doesn't prove Robert fitz Martin possessed it.
    I am aware of this fact, however it's at least a haplogroup to go off of until more potential descendants test.

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    My closest BigY matches are Leavitts who claim to descend from the Norman noble family de Levit from Hooton Levit. They trace their ancestry very close to Hooton Levit in Yorkshire. I also trace my Stead lineage to Yorkshire and there is a place called Stead (my surname) about 12 miles from Hooton Levit.

    We are a rare branch of R1a and the evidence does point to a possible Norman origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ADogsSon View Post
    I know of a British family long known descended from affluent Normans. After lands granted by William the direct paternal held title, land & power (lord, sheriff, court justice, etc.) from 300-400 to 600-700 years in one area. Their genealogy is in books (example, The Baronetage of England).

    They're a rare branch of R1b.
    Do tell! If they are listed in the Burke's Peerage & Baronetage, surely the family is well-known enough to be discussed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    Yes. Oops, I seem to have forgot to clarify that in my original post.

    To start that ball rolling, I know that a descendant of Robert fitz Martin, lord of Cemais, has had his Y-DNA tested and his haplogroup is allegedly R-M198

    I'm curious to know if there may be more Y-DNA results for these Norman lineages.
    Well I am related on the Y gene to the Irish Eustace family, originally Fitz Eustace, there is a whole bunch of us R1a-Z283*
    They were a semi noble Norman family apparently.
    Interestingly the English Eustace are a derivative of R1b, so are not related to the Irish branch.
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