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    K1c2 info?

    Can anyone tell me more about this Haplogroup? I gleaned enough of the internet to know it might be from my mothers Polish and possibly some Finnish heritage. But I am also interested because of some health problems common on my mother's side of the family. (Early heart disease, mood issues, alchoholism, autoimmune)

    From looking at specific genetics (FADS1, FADS2, CPT1A, among others) it looks as if my metabolic genes are closer to hunter gatherer/Inuit genetics.

    Thanks for any insight!

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    I'm more focused on K2b clades, but from Eupedia, K1c2 is largely found in western and northern Europe and in the Maghreb. Depending on where you got the mtDNA results from, it could be a more specific clade. 23andMe only gives me K2b, but FTDNA (full sequence) and Living DNA were able to identify K2b2. Looking at the K Project at FTDNA (worth joining if you tested at FTDNA), K1c2 is a very large group for a non-Jewish K subclade, and what Eupedia says is right -- matrilineal ancestors trace back to the British Isles, France, the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Finland, Germany, and Poland, and even as far east as Russia, with a small number from Morocco and Algeria. If further testing showed it to be K1c2a (a daughter of K1c2), that one seems to be found mostly in Ireland.

    Do you have any mtDNA matches? That can be informative.

    I've been trying to trace back my matrilineal line and have been stuck in late 1700s Kentucky for a while, but have lately made some possible progress due to matches. I still don't know if mine goes back to Germany or the British Isles.

    Regarding medical issues and so on, that is likely not specifically mtDNA related, unless there's a reason to think so (I haven't done much work on that stuff).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystyn View Post
    Can anyone tell me more about this Haplogroup? I gleaned enough of the internet to know it might be from my mothers Polish and possibly some Finnish heritage. But I am also interested because of some health problems common on my mother's side of the family. (Early heart disease, mood issues, alchoholism, autoimmune)

    From looking at specific genetics (FADS1, FADS2, CPT1A, among others) it looks as if my metabolic genes are closer to hunter gatherer/Inuit genetics.

    Thanks for any insight!
    I've been doing some research into a specific K1c2 matrilineal line. I am curious how far back you can trace yours with confidence and documentation?

    Appreciate it!


    Jack

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    Quote Originally Posted by C J Wyatt III View Post
    I've been doing some research into a specific K1c2 matrilineal line. I am curious how far back you can trace yours with confidence and documentation?

    Appreciate it!


    Jack
    On my mother's side I only go back to my Great Great Grandparents who were from Germany and lived in and around Coal Township, PA. My mothers last name was Podchajski or Podhayski.

    Kathryn Walentka (or Catherine Walentz)
    BIRTH 1897
    DEATH 23 Apr 1942 (aged 44-45)
    BURIAL Saint Stanislaus Cemetery
    Coal Township, Northumberland County,
    Pennsylvania, USA
    Kathryn Walentka was born in 1897 in Pennsylvania, the daughter of
    Rose and Frank. She had three sons and three daughters with Stanley
    Gusick between 1915 and 1928. She died on April 23, 1942, in Coal City,
    Pennsylvania, at the age of 45, and was buried there.

    (I have no data on Rose and Frank Walenkewicz)


    Kathryn Walentka married:
    Stanley Gusick
    BIRTH 1892
    DEATH 1955 (aged 62-63)
    BURIAL Saint Stanislaus Cemetery
    Coal Township, Northumberland County,
    Pennsylvania, USA
    PLOT New North Section, Block

    Joseph Gusisk (Stanley's Father)
    Joseph Gusick was born in February 1840 in Germany, the son of
    Josephus. He married Franceska Miller in 1866. They had five children
    in 15 years. He died in 1910 in Shamokin, Pennsylvania, at the age of 70.

    Franceska Miller (Stanley's mother)
    Franceska Miller was born in July 1849 in Germany. She married Joseph
    Gusick in 1866. They had five children in 15 years. She died in 1928 in
    Shamokin, Pennsylvania, at the age of 79.

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    The more I look at it and understand all this I see it is probably Northern Germany. I had no close mtDNA matches, I gues syou are talking about GEDMATCH?

    All my relatives came here after the 1850's.

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    As far as I know you can only get mtDNA specific matches on FTDNA, although I think you can search matches on Gedmatch to see if they added mtDNA and what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystyn View Post
    The more I look at it and understand all this I see it is probably Northern Germany. I had no close mtDNA matches, I gues syou are talking about GEDMATCH?

    All my relatives came here after the 1850's.

    Thanks, I am a little confused. Is Catherine Walentz on your matrilineal line and you don't know where her mother Rose was born, though most likely Northern Germany?

    The K1c2 line which I am researching came through Alabama in the mid-1800s and probably was back in North Carolina in the mid-1700s, though that conclusion is a bit speculative.

    I am a compulsive comparer of GEDmatch kits, though these lines are probably too far apart to show anything autosomally.

    Jack
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    Yes, Catherine Walentz is my Mother's Mother's mother. And I do not know where her parents, Rose and Frank, were born but pretty certain it was Germany sinc ethe name seems common there (but I just started looking into it).

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    Cool, I will sign up for FTDNA. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krystyn View Post
    Yes, Catherine Walentz is my Mother's Mother's mother. And I do not know where her parents, Rose and Frank, were born but pretty certain it was Germany sinc ethe name seems common there (but I just started looking into it).
    Try Poland.

    From Catherine's death certificate:

    K1c2 question on Anthrogenica.PNG

    Interestingly, her mother's maiden name listed (Walenkewiez by computer recognition, but I see Walenkewicz) is similar to her father's but not the same.

    But then we have this found on Ancestry.com:

    K1c2 question on Anthrogenica 2.PNG

    The mother and father may have been married in Poland and picked up different names on separate voyages to the USA. I am not sure whether Walenkewicz is a maiden name or not. Could have been cousins marrying.

    One more thing, if you want to investigate the Rosenbaum Bank record, look at:

    https://www.jewishgen.org/databases/...aRosenbaum.htm

    A function of the bank was for people to save money to pay for passage for their families.

    Hope this helps.

    Jack
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