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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelzyy View Post
    Hey guys, so just a little bit of an update. I ran my DNA through GED match ( I did k13 & k15 ) and these are the results. I don't know much about genealogy so this is mostly foreign to me, so I am trying to research what it all means haha, if anyone can provide any guidance as to what this means it would be greatly appreciated. See below:

    P.S. I tried a few different methods to insert the actual images into the forum but I kept getting a "not allowed to post links" error message. My results were as follows:

    K13
    North Atlantic: 7.83%
    Baltic: 11.62%
    West_Med: 9.83%
    West_Asian: 18.45%
    East_Med: 20.64%
    Red_Sea: 4.21%
    South_Asian: 22.25%
    East_Asian: 3.61%
    Siberian: 0.08%
    Oceanian: 1.29%
    Northeast_African: 0.19%

    K15
    North_Sea: 5.15%
    Atlantic: 6.33%
    Baltic: 8.41%
    Eastern_Euro: 5.47%
    West_Med: 7.42%
    West_Asian: 15.62%
    East_Med: 19.65%
    Red_Sea: 4.22%
    South_Asian: 23.22%
    Southeast_Asian: 3.23%
    Oceanian: 1.16%
    Northeast_African: 0.12%

    Again, I am not entirely sure what these results mean and any help would be greatly appreciated!
    OK, these results are what we're looking for, and you seem pretty pure Roma, to be honest... But I suppose there's always a possibility that a largely Indian child may have ended up in Romania... ?!?!?

    If you go to GEDMatch on the MDLP and PuntDNAL calculators, they'll have buttons for the "Oracles" and, as MR G noted, will give you your estimated population matches. The MDLPs and PuntDNAL have Romany samples, so that should be of assistance.

    There will also be a button for the spreadsheets, where the results for the sample populations are listed, so you can 'manually' compare your results to specific ethnic groups.

    Generally the advice to people who aren't sure of Romany ancestry is to check your segment matches with other Romany kit #s...and see if there's triangulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelzyy View Post
    Hey guys, so just a little bit of an update. I ran my DNA through GED match ( I did k13 & k15 ) and these are the results. I don't know much about genealogy so this is mostly foreign to me, so I am trying to research what it all means haha, if anyone can provide any guidance as to what this means it would be greatly appreciated. See below:

    P.S. I tried a few different methods to insert the actual images into the forum but I kept getting a "not allowed to post links" error message. My results were as follows:

    K13
    North Atlantic: 7.83%
    Baltic: 11.62%
    West_Med: 9.83%
    West_Asian: 18.45%
    East_Med: 20.64%
    Red_Sea: 4.21%
    South_Asian: 22.25%
    East_Asian: 3.61%
    Siberian: 0.08%
    Oceanian: 1.29%
    Northeast_African: 0.19%

    (K15 Redacted to save space)

    Again, I am not entirely sure what these results mean and any help would be greatly appreciated!
    Here's my Hungarian Romani friend's K13.
    North_Atlantic 10.56
    Baltic 11.50
    West_Med 13.02
    West_Asian 18.63
    East_Med 16.71
    Red_Sea 2.08
    South_Asian 24.11
    East_Asian 1.98
    Siberian 0.49
    Amerindian 0.39
    Oceanian 0.33
    Northeast_African -
    Sub-Saharan 0.18
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    Fit = 1.87
    NE England 47.5%
    IT Calabria 33.3%
    NL_Friesland 13.3%
    SV_Svealand 5.83%

    G25
    Fit=2.03
    Eng 61.67%
    IT South 30%
    Sweden 8.33%


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    Wow that’s quite similar! Does your friend have olive or pale skin? I have olive skin and green eyes. My birth surname is “rostas” which I have always believed has Romanian / Hungarian origin.

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    She's olive skinned, with greenish hazel eyes I guess?
    nMonte K36
    Fit = 1.87
    NE England 47.5%
    IT Calabria 33.3%
    NL_Friesland 13.3%
    SV_Svealand 5.83%

    G25
    Fit=2.03
    Eng 61.67%
    IT South 30%
    Sweden 8.33%


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    So I have been browsing around with Oracle for a few days, but I am a little confused about the distances?

    For Example, I searched for Romani under puntDNAL K15 and came out with

    Single Population Sharing

    1. Romani - 7.94
    2. Pashtun - 18.45
    3. Tadjik - 20.84
    ... and so on

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    1. 87.3% Romani, 12.7% Chuvash , Distance = 4.58
    2. 85.1% Romani, 14.9% Bashkir, Distance = 4.59

    However, I also ran MDLP K23 Oracle and got these results:

    Single Population Sharing:
    1. Roma_Slovenian, Distance = 8.81
    2. Roma_Bulgarian, Distance = 10.98
    3. Roma, Distance = 13.54

    The next few entries are all Roma mixed with something else and a distance of around 25

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    1. 75.2% Turk_Adana , Distance = 3.38

    The next 20 entries or so all include Turk Adana / Roma Slovenian / and Turk Kayersi around 75% and either Santhal, Paniya, Malayan etc. around 25-27%, distance ranges from 3.38 to 4.13.

    I am a little confused as to what the distance is determining and how come many of the entries vary so greatly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelzyy View Post
    So I have been browsing around with Oracle for a few days, but I am a little confused about the distances?

    For Example, I searched for Romani under puntDNAL K15 and came out with

    Single Population Sharing

    1. Romani - 7.94
    2. Pashtun - 18.45
    3. Tadjik - 20.84
    ... and so on

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    1. 87.3% Romani, 12.7% Chuvash , Distance = 4.58
    2. 85.1% Romani, 14.9% Bashkir, Distance = 4.59

    However, I also ran MDLP K23 Oracle and got these results:

    Single Population Sharing:
    1. Roma_Slovenian, Distance = 8.81
    2. Roma_Bulgarian, Distance = 10.98
    3. Roma, Distance = 13.54

    The next few entries are all Roma mixed with something else and a distance of around 25

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    1. 75.2% Turk_Adana , Distance = 3.38

    The next 20 entries or so all include Turk Adana / Roma Slovenian / and Turk Kayersi around 75% and either Santhal, Paniya, Malayan etc. around 25-27%, distance ranges from 3.38 to 4.13.

    I am a little confused as to what the distance is determining and how come many of the entries vary so greatly?
    The higher the number the greater the genetic distance. So you happen to match the Romani population from that calculator the most. The mixed mode combines different reference populations to determine a "best fit" of mixed ancestry in respect to your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelzyy View Post
    I am a little confused as to what the distance is determining and how come many of the entries vary so greatly?
    I'm happy enough when one or two populations in Oracles are accurate, so I don't worry too much about distances... For myself and some of my relatives, the most accurate Oracle estimations have much farther distances than the more ridiculous ones!

    Did you have any suspicion of being Romani before the DNA test?
    Last edited by JosephK; 10-11-2018 at 05:37 PM.

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    Haha yeah , that’s the only problem I have with all of this. Since I was adopted when I was a baby I know absolutely nothing about my biological family, all I know is I was born in Romania , but I could be anything which is why I did all this in the first place .

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    I have always wondered if I were Romani based on my appearance, I have somewhat ambiguous ethnicity , brown hair , green eyes , 5’10 , darker olive skin , I get mistaken for being Armenian / middle eastern / Indian all the time, and also Hispanic which is odd. All I really know about my biological family is the city we were from and surname , birth mother had 14 children ( my twin brother and I are 13&14). I’ve had a lot of people ( primarily from India & Europe ask me if I am Romani )

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    Shelzyy,
    You might consider a MyHeritage test. There seem to be many Romani on there, and while it can be argued if the MyHeritage estimate is accurate or not, its been proven that it s a good resource for people looking for Romani heritage.
    nMonte K36
    Fit = 1.87
    NE England 47.5%
    IT Calabria 33.3%
    NL_Friesland 13.3%
    SV_Svealand 5.83%

    G25
    Fit=2.03
    Eng 61.67%
    IT South 30%
    Sweden 8.33%


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