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    What does the Balkans mean?

    I found here an interesting distribution and, in some cases, weird about the Balkans.
    https://www.myheritage.ro/ethnicitie...e-distribution

    Slovenia 88.4%
    Romānia 86.1%
    Croaţia 86.1%
    Bulgaria 85%
    Slovacia 79.7%
    Ungaria 74.8%
    Ucraina 72.5%
    Republica Cehă 70.4%
    Belarus 65.7%
    Austria 55%
    Rusia 48.5%
    Polonia 47.2%
    Kazahstan 45.5%
    Germania 31.9%
    Lituania 28.7%
    Grecia 26.5%
    Luxemburg 22.4%
    Elveţia 22.4%
    Letonia 22.3%
    Estonia 17.8%
    Turcia 16%
    Italia 13.9%
    Canada 12.9%
    Brazilia 11.2%
    Belgia 11.2%
    Cipru 10.8%
    Statele Unite ale Americii 10.7%
    Thailanda 10.5%
    Japonia 9.4%
    Malta 8.9%
    Australia 7.8%
    Emiratele Arabe Unite 7.8%
    Franţa 7.6%
    Argentina 7.4%
    Singapore 7.1%
    Suedia 7.1%
    Chile 7%
    Portugalia 6.7%
    Spania 6.4%
    Africa de Sud 6.1%
    Marea Britanie 6.1%
    Danemarca 5.7%
    Olanda 5.5%
    Irlanda 5.3%
    Columbia 4.9%
    Peru 4.6%
    Noua Zeelandă 4%
    Israel 3.9%
    Norvegia 3.6%
    Mexic 3.6%
    China 3.5%
    Arabia Saudită 3.3%
    Puerto Rico 3.3%
    Hong Kong 3.2%
    Finlanda 3%

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    I've not tested with MyHeritage. How do they define Balkan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fungene View Post
    I've not tested with MyHeritage. How do they define Balkan?
    Mostly as Slovenian apparently lol...

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    I do not know how they define the Balkans, but it would be interesting to know. What seems very strange to me is that the Japanese and the Thailand peoples have too high frequency of Balkan genetic typology, which is far too much if we take into account the departure from the geographical area of the Balkans. ... Almost the same frequency like Cipru, close to Italy, and over France or Holand!?... lol!
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    It means that in X% of a population, Balkan ancestry was recorded at any rate. Apparently, 86% of thr tested Romanians have it.

    Can confirm, it is there for me too, at 92%.

    I don't have the list of references, but they were probably a mix fo Romanians and South Slavs, leaning more towards those from the West side of the peninsula.
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    Known ancestry: 1/2 Romanian Northeast + 1/4 Romanian Southeast + 1/4 Romanian Bukovina Ukraine
    23andme: 53.5% South Euro (41.8% Balkan), 22.4% East Euro, 7.3% Northwest Euro, 0.3% Ashkenazi, 14.7% Broadly Euro, 1.8% East Asian
    MyHeritage: 92.2% Balkan, 5.8% English, 1.1% Eskimo, 0.9% Japanese
    FTDNA: 45% Southeast Euro, 45% East Euro, 4% British Isles, 3% West Middle East, 2% NE Asia
    Global 25: Anatolia_N 50.2%, EHG 32.6%, CHG 11.2%, WHG 3.8%, East Asian 2.2%

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    They mention "The percentages represent the portion of MyHeritage DNA users in a country who have that ethnicity", but not the average for all users from this country.
    The map shows also where the person lives at the moment, but not his ancestors.

    Yet some countries show ridiculous percentages, for example Japan, where there are almost no immigrants to explain that.

    Japanese 35.1%
    Scandinavian 28.1%
    English 18.1%
    North and West European 18.1%
    Iberian 14%
    Chinese and Vietnamese 10.5%
    Italian 9.4%
    Balkan 9.4%
    East European 8.8%
    Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 8.6%
    Nigerian 7.6%
    Central American 6.4%
    Mongolian 5.8%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.3%
    Kenyan 4.7%
    Sierra Leonean 4.1%
    Greek 3.5%
    West African 2.9%
    Baltic 2.3%
    Filipino, Indonesian, and Malaysian 2.3%
    Sardinian 1.8%
    Finnish 1.8%
    Central Asian 1.8%
    West Asian 1.8%
    Sephardic Jewish - North African 1.8%
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    Yup very confusing. They gave me 24% North & West Europe, 57.5% Balkan, 12.5% Baltic, 2.3% East Europe. I uploaded Ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastara View Post
    They mention "The percentages represent the portion of MyHeritage DNA users in a country who have that ethnicity", but not the average for all users from this country.
    The map shows also where the person lives at the moment, but not his ancestors.

    Yet some countries show ridiculous percentages, for example Japan, where there are almost no immigrants to explain that.
    ...
    Scandinavian 28.1%
    English 18.1%
    North and West European 18.1%
    Iberian 14%
    Chinese and Vietnamese 10.5%
    Italian 9.4%
    Balkan 9.4%
    East European 8.8%
    Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 8.6%
    ...
    Those percentages are ridiculous to the superlative ... I`m stuck seeing such estimates! The more I loock to percentage of different ethnic groups in different regions ,https://www.myheritage.ro/ethnicities the dilemma becomes even bigger!... (for examples... Japanese have almost the same Scandinavian frequency like Great Britain! greater than Finland or Estonia! And so on... ) https://www.myheritage.ro/ethnicitie...e-distribution
    Or Japanese are more frequent English than the French are!? https://www.myheritage.ro/ethnicitie...e-distribution lol!

    Perhaps something is very wrong in the estimation process. I am afraid that they do matches in the absence of scientifically established references, just to cover their gaps.
    Last edited by euasta; 10-09-2018 at 03:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    It means that in X% of a population, Balkan ancestry was recorded at any rate. Apparently, 86% of thr tested Romanians have it.

    Can confirm, it is there for me too, at 92%.

    I don't have the list of references, but they were probably a mix fo Romanians and South Slavs, leaning more towards those from the West side of the peninsula.
    Perhaps if these Balkan percentages have a solid genetic basis, and it's so widespread, then the term "Slavic" refers mostly to spoken language? ...What about Japanese or Thailandese? )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    Can confirm, it is there for me too, at 92%.
    92% with MyHeritage!
    I think... it's possible that people at LDNA are confused about Balkan, and that's why they split your Balkan into the S and NE of Europe?
    Last edited by euasta; 10-13-2018 at 05:49 PM.

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