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    Ethnic history of the Eastern Slavs

    Let's discuss the ethnic history of the Eastern Slavs. How the East Slavic peoples were formed. What political, historical factors contributed to the generalization of the Eastern Slavs and the formation of the three Eastern Slavic peoples - Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. I also wonder if the Poles belong to Eastern Europe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    Tell this to a Belarusian, he or she will spit in you face. Don't listen to Lusakeshentko swearing on Russian brotherhood to Russians because he wants cheap cruide oil and natural gas. Do you want me to show a video in the centre of Minsk chanting "кто не скачет, то Москаль"?

    I am telling this as a someone, who is close to Russians. I can imagine the feelings of my countrymen living further west.
    I have a lot of experience working with Ukrainian and Belarusian nationalists. The arguments of the Ukrainian nationalists are the same: Russians - Moksha. Ukrainians and Belarusians are true Slavs. But genetic and linguistic studies do not confirm the seriousness of these arguments. Therefore, I continue to wonder why Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians cannot consider themselves to be a divided people? What is wrong with nationalist Belarusians seeing this? In what direction do the Belarusians want to go with whom they want to unite? Indeed, in the new world, there are processes of integration and globalization. Belarusians will not be able to remain an imperceptible people for a long time. It will be necessary to choose, as Ukrainians do today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coldmountains View Post
    You are a slav by culture, language and socio-political identity and primarly not be genes. Nobody is a slav just because of genes. So there is no way in measuring purer slaveness, what is anyways a pointless idea. We can just conclude who genetically has more Proto-Slavic ancestry. Central Russians are indeed predominately genetic descendants of East Slavs but you have an Finno-Ugrian substrate (around 20%) and it is absurd to deny it. Merya in Central Russia were not like modern day Finns or Komi and themselves very similar to Balto-Slavs.

    Also try to prove that Ukrainians have turkic ancestry. That is ultra-nationalist propaganda just like that of Ukrainian nationalists who claim that Russians are turco-mongolic... what is both ridicilious
    Slavic-is primarily a language. Genetically, the first Slavs appeared in the South of Belarus, North-East of Ukraine and West of Russia. Belarusians have a strong Baltic substrate. Ukrainians have a very strong Balkan superstrate. Have Russians West and Western parts of Central Russia(West of Moscow) and South-West substrate there is no at all. So these Russians are the true Slavs. I am not proud of it, I say archaeological and historical fact.

    Russians Vladimir and Rostov not similar on Merya. Slavs mixed up with Meria in the East of the Kostroma region - Unzha.. So look for a bride from the city of Unzha. From the Unzha was taken of the sample "Russian Kostroma.".

    Vladimir region is "Opol'e". Here was the most massive migration of Slavs from the territory of Eastern Ukraine in the 10-14 century. Since there is fertile land. The substrate is here too, but it is very small. Almost the same as Native American substrate for white Americans.

    Have you ever seen a Gagauz? Gagauz Turks are descendants of Pechenegs, but genetically in Europe. That kind of admixture is in the Ukrainians. However, many Ukrainians do not pass in Russia as Europeans - turanidny or very Balkan appearance makes them unlike Slavs. It is not proved that autosomes are 100% talking about the origin, anthropology is very important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    I have a lot of experience working with Ukrainian and Belarusian nationalists. The arguments of the Ukrainian nationalists are the same: Russians - Moksha. Ukrainians and Belarusians are true Slavs. But genetic and linguistic studies do not confirm the seriousness of these arguments. Therefore, I continue to wonder why Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians cannot consider themselves to be a divided people? What is wrong with nationalist Belarusians seeing this? In what direction do the Belarusians want to go with whom they want to unite? Indeed, in the new world, there are processes of integration and globalization. Belarusians will not be able to remain an imperceptible people for a long time. It will be necessary to choose, as Ukrainians do today.
    I am not a nationalist. Russians of Smolensk are close to us. I am telling about the feelings of our young girls and guys. Even older generation such as president Lukashenko who was behind the formation of 'союзного государства' stated "Русский мир" is a propagandistic silliness" : https://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20150804/229437278.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    I am not a nationalist. Russians of Smolensk are close to us. I am telling about the feelings of our young girls and guys. Even older generation such as president Lukashenko who was behind the formation of 'союзного государства' stated "Русский мир" is a propagandistic silliness" : https://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20150804/229437278.html
    What you write is backward nationalism.

    Russian Smolensk is close to the rest of the Russian people in mentality, language, culture and self-consciousness. This is important. The proximity to the Belarusians is ancient from the common Slavic ancestors of the Radimiches. If you talk about politics, that all Russians think the Belarusians are brothers and one people. Genetics and minimal differences are not the main thing. Belarus is similar to one of Russia's smaller regions in terms of DNA diversity, separated from the rest of the Russian people by the will of historical events and politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volat View Post
    Even older generation such as president Lukashenko who was behind the formation of 'союзного государства' stated "Русский мир" is a propagandistic silliness" : https://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20150804/229437278.html
    Who is Lukashenka for me, why do you give him to me as an example? I don't care what he says. My heroes are not Putin, Lukashenka or Poroshenko, but Alexander Nevsky, Dmitry Donskoy, Svyatoslav, Minin and Pozharsky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    Let's discuss the ethnic history of the Eastern Slavs. How the East Slavic peoples were formed. What political, historical factors contributed to the generalization of the Eastern Slavs and the formation of the three Eastern Slavic peoples - Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians. I also wonder if the Poles belong to Eastern Europe?
    Based on MDLP K16 Spreadsheet, it seems that West Ukrainians cluster with West Slavs, as well as 3 out of 4 Polish regions:



    Unfortunately there are no regional labels in the spreadsheet (they have been added to Oracle, but not yet to the spreadsheet).

    Only 1 out of 4 Polish references clusters with East Slavs.

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