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    Haplogroups for relatively rare surnames

    My surname is Gatty. According to Forebears there are approximately 914 of us. The incidence top 10 is as follows according to Forebears:


    India 246 1:3,118,152 92,238
    France 146 1:455,531 65,550
    United States 126 1:2,867,074 169,660
    England 88 1:631,815 37,141
    Australia 85 1:279,693 25,025
    Peru 83 1:382,945 12,575
    United Arab Emirates 48 1:191,178 13,287
    Ivory Coast 20 1:1,153,579 26,789
    Austria 12 1:709,528 61,143
    Niger 10 1:1,919,203 37,246


    Some of these seem a little strange. Using the IGI the surname seems to crop up most in
    England and France . I seem to be the only Gatty to do a Big Y test and Yfull has my haplogroup
    as E-Y45878 with just one other person also from England.

    This is very little info to go on but tentatively suggests an English origin. If so how to explain the French Gattys for example?
    Could these be separate ie belonging to a different haplogroup?
    What are the odds of a relatively rare haplogroup encompassing several totally different haplogroups and not just different subclades of E ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    Yfull has my haplogroup as E-Y45878 with just one other person also from England
    What is his last name? Does it suggest any foreign (non-British) ancestry.

    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    This is very little info to go on but tentatively suggests an English origin. If so how to explain the French Gattys for example?
    I guess either common (for example English or Norman) ancestry or independent roots (thus coincidence). Is there any accepted etymology for this last name, both in English and French?

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    I tried that Forebears entered my surname. The results for 100% match shows 61 people in United States as Prevalent and Bosnia as Density.

    Then the other surnames it generated that are similar to mine shows the most in

    Bosnia 787 - 71% and 80% match
    Poland 413 - 71%
    Moldavia 294 - 71%
    Romania 274 - 71%
    France 236 - 71%
    Croatia 225 - 77% and 71%
    United States 92 - 71%
    Phillippines 77 - 77%
    India 3 - 80%
    Australia 1 - 80%

    Well it is mostly East Europe and Balkan countries. The one from India is the most similar in my opinion.
    But crazy coincidence with one that's 80% match from Bosnia and Australia the surname is Praljak... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobodan_Praljak
    You have more Neanderthal variants than 86% of 23andMe customers.
    However, your Neanderthal ancestry accounts for less than 4% of your overall DNA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michał View Post
    What is his last name? Does it suggest any foreign (non-British) ancestry.


    I guess either common (for example English or Norman) ancestry or independent roots (thus coincidence). Is there any accepted etymology for this last name, both in English and French?

    His last name is Cordue . Forebears suggests that surname may be Spanish in origin. His earliest ancestor is from Cornwall as is the other Big Y match I have(not on Yfull)

    Forebears gives the following definition for Gatty:

    This surname is derived from the name of an ancestor. 'the son of Gertrude,' from nick. Gatty. It is curious to note that the registrars of the 16th and 17th centuries found as much difficulty in spelling Gertrude as Ursula. The latter bothered them completely. I have seen it written Oursley twice. At first I could not understand it as a girl's name.

    1618. Married — Henry Parkehurst and Gartwrite Wetherall, St. Antholin (London).

    Garthred Good, 1666: Reg. Broad Chalke, Wiltshire.

    Gartrude, wife of Marke Lawrie, 1698: Reg. St. Columb Major.

    Deborah Gatty, widow, 1730: ibid.

    William Gattey, 1728: Reg. St. Columb Major.

    1782. Married — William Gattie and Ann Stead: St. George, Hanover Square.
    — A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, written: 1872-1896 by Charles Wareing Endell Bardsley
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    His last name is Cordue . Forebears suggests that surname may be Spanish in origin. His earliest ancestor is from Cornwall as is the other Big Y match I have(not on Yfull)
    This is intriguing. What's the other match's last name (is he your closer or more distant SNP/STR match)?

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    ^BTW, if the name indeed means "the son of Gertrude", then it is likely to be associated with different Y-DNA lineages.
    Also, what region of England is your most distant paternal ancestor from?

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    Here's what this site found under my surname

    United States 31
    Bosnia and Herzegovina 10
    Canada 5
    Sweden 4
    Turkey 3
    Denmark 2
    Norway 2
    Australia 1
    Austria 1
    Croatia 1
    England 1

    61 total incidences, I'm assuming this is the number of individuals.

    Wouldn't say this is too accurate as I've checked other surnames in my family and the results seem really off. There's more people in Bosnia with this surname than only 10 I'm pretty sure.

    For example my maternal grandma's maiden name Halilovic is one of the most common in Bosnia but this site apparently only found 13 people in Bosnia, that can't be right.

    My paternal grandma's maiden name Somun beats all the surnames in my family. 4,269 people bear that surname and 2,010 of those in South Korea!

    So obviously I tried to check some famous surnames like Dracula... pretty surprising results.
    Only 5 people, 4 in South Africa and 1 in England. But check this... when you look at other spellings and similar names guess where you find the largest number of people under Drakul 723 and Drakula 194? Bosnia. And second most common in Serbia. That's just bizarre. Where are these people hiding? I never met or heard of one Bosnian person with that surname.
    You have more Neanderthal variants than 86% of 23andMe customers.
    However, your Neanderthal ancestry accounts for less than 4% of your overall DNA.

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    Now I do not want to hijack the post, sorry, and I know this is somewhat unrelated to the post. But is your subclade in Britain, a result of the Neolithic farmer migration or a more recent Roman settlement?
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    Hate to break it to you, but your haplogroup existed before Surnames did, and have zero connection to you surname.
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    Balto - North Slavic 22.4%
    Northwest European 18.8%
    Italian Greek 18.1%
    Persian Jewish 9%
    Iberian 6.3%
    Ashkenazi Jewish 5.9%
    Basque 4.3%
    Sephardic Jewish 4.1%
    Balochi Punjab 3.7%
    Caucasus 2.5%
    Urals 1.3%
    Finnish 1.2%
    Lebanese Cypriot 1%
    Other 1.4%

    Sephardic Jewish Turkey 18.8%
    Argyll and Bute Scottish Highlands 18.6%
    Sardinia 18.4%
    Lithuania 15.7%
    Russia Voronezh 7%
    Belgium 5.6%
    Syrian Jewish 4.9%
    Libyan Jewish 4.4%
    Russia Tver 2.4%
    Azerbaijani Jewish 2.2%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michał View Post
    This is intriguing. What's the other match's last name (is he your closer or more distant SNP/STR match)?

    The other name is Fuge. I draw a blank with both using Family finder advanced match tool.
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