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    Somalis have a comparatively high frequency of haplogroup T to the rest of the world, but it is mostly only T-Y16897 (not very diverse).

    Possibly even only T-Y45591 (TMRCA 2900 ybp)?? So clearly not the place of origin.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y16897/

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    Quote Originally Posted by NetNomad View Post
    Somalis have a comparatively high frequency of haplogroup T to the rest of the world, but it is mostly only T-Y16897 (not very diverse).

    Possibly even only T-Y45591 (TMRCA 2900 ybp)?? So clearly not the place of origin.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y16897/

    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...frame=yresults
    All belongs to Y45591 except any eventual penetration of surrounding populations that carried another extremely distant T branch (not found any example of this possibility yet)

    This possibility of a Horn of Africa origin never was proposed by any serious individual. Frequency is not equal to origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndresT View Post
    All belongs to Y45591 except any eventual penetration of surrounding populations that carried another extremely distant T branch (not found any example of this possibility yet)

    This possibility of a Horn of Africa origin never was proposed by any serious individual. Frequency is not equal to origin.
    Do you know if Southeast African (Kenya, Tanzania etc) T carriers are under the same general subclade (T-Y16897) as Somali ones? Excluding recent admixed populations like the Lemba, Swahili, or Comorians.

    There is an ancient Cushitic genetic substratum all across Southeast Africa. Hence, the question. Thank in advance.

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    The TMRCA of Somali T has been published on YFull. It is estimated to be around 1650ybp which is incredibly young compared to E-V32.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y45591/

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    Quote Originally Posted by GabrielZelalem View Post
    The TMRCA of Somali T has been published on YFull. It is estimated to be around 1650ybp which is incredibly young compared to E-V32.

    https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y45591/
    I'm assuming both the Waqooyi Galbeed and Togdheer samples are Isaaqs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drobbah View Post
    I'm assuming both the Waqooyi Galbeed and Togdheer samples are Isaaqs?
    I guess too, even if the WG one could be Dir. The Mudug one is definitely not Isaaq tho.

    The young age of our T makes me think it might’ve come through the gulf of Aden/Bab el Mandel straight. I don’t really see how the proto Cushitic speakers claim can stand tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GabrielZelalem View Post
    I guess too, even if the WG one could be Dir. The Mudug one is definitely not Isaaq tho.

    The young age of our T makes me think it might’ve come through the gulf of Aden/Bab el Mandel straight. I don’t really see how the proto Cushitic speakers claim can stand tbh.
    It seems the T Isaaqs/Dir is just one clan which explains the recent tmrca.It reminds me of the Darood E-Y163928 which has a similar tmrca to your T-BY181210 (1550 vs 1650 ybp).

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    Checked the T-L208 tree on yfull and there is literally no other horners besides Dir Somalis.I think we might have to wait untill the other T Horners get deep tested to come big conclusions like the idea of this lineage being a recent Middle eastern lineage.

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    There is one Eritrean under T-Y49669 but looking at the TMRCA their probably a Beni Amer Beja.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GabrielZelalem View Post
    I guess too, even if the WG one could be Dir. The Mudug one is definitely not Isaaq tho.

    The young age of our T makes me think it might’ve come through the gulf of Aden/Bab el Mandel straight. I don’t really see how the proto Cushitic speakers claim can stand tbh.

    They're both Garhajis. The Togdheer is Habar Yoonis (Reer Caynaanshe), the Woqooyi Galbeed is an Ciidagale.

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