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    Arab with some Jewish GEDmatch results. Opinions?

    I got tested with MyHeritage and was later told on another forum that a Jewish score on MyHeritage is not unusual for Levantines, but I'd like a second opinion on the GEDmatch results with the Jewish percentages in them. I can't post links so here are my MyHeritage results:

     
    Middle Eastern - 35.9%
    Mizrahi Jewish - 16.1%
    West Asian - 5.4%
    South Asian 2.1%
    Cenral Asian - 1.3%
    Greek - 16.8%
    Italian - 2.9%
    Ashkenazi - 2.8%
    North African - 13.8%
    Nigerian - 2.9%


    About myself: I am part of the Arab minority in Israel, and my close family is Muslim. My great-great-grandmother on my Dad's side was a Christian who converted to Islam. Don't know anything about the rest of my family tree. I have 2000 matches on GEDmatch, the closest (about 20) of which have Arab names, whilst the rest are of obvious other ethnicities including Jewish (I didn't try contacting any of them as I can currently only trace my family tree up to 4 or 5 generations, which wouldn't be of much help).

    Here are some of my GEDmatch results:
    MDLP K23b 4-Ancestors Oracle
     
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Caucasian 36.43
    2 Near_East 17.80
    3 European_Early_Farmers 14.35
    4 South_Central_Asian 12.23
    5 North_African 8.53
    6 South_Indian 2.87
    7 East_African 2.84
    8 East_Siberian 1.29


    Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
    23 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Syrian_Jew_ [at] 6.659384
    2 Lebanese_ [at] 7.773434
    3 Lebanese_Muslim_ [at] 8.100311
    4 Muslim_Arabs_Israel_ [at] 9.764081
    5 Samaritian_ [at] 10.490923
    6 Syrian_ [at] 11.072806
    7 Iraqi_Chaldean_ [at] 11.113378
    8 Palestinian_ [at] 11.247584
    9 Turk_Adana_ [at] 11.473163
    10 Jordanian_ [at] 11.594125
    11 Assyrian_Iraqi_ [at] 11.908371
    12 Sephardic_Jew_ [at] 12.164774
    13 Cypriot_ [at] 12.258148
    14 Lebanese_Druze_ [at] 12.373976
    15 Iraki_ [at] 12.449074
    16 Turk_Jew_ [at] 12.576925
    17 Iraqi_Mandean_ [at] 12.890561
    18 Lebanese_Christian_ [at] 13.145858
    19 Iraqi_Jew_ [at] 13.172909
    20 Tunisian_Jew_ [at] 13.184107

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kurd_Jew_ +50% Libyan_Jew_ [at] 4.532774


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Cypriot_ +25% Egyptian_Tanta_ +25% Iranian_ [at] 3.697257


    Eurogenes K13 Oracle
     
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 37.17
    2 West_Asian 20.76
    3 West_Med 15.75
    4 Red_Sea 12.88
    5 Northeast_African 3.83
    6 South_Asian 3.68
    7 North_Atlantic 1.94
    8 East_Asian 1.59
    9 Sub-Saharan 1.46
    10 Baltic 0.93

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Syrian 3.39
    2 Lebanese_Muslim 5.29
    3 Jordanian 7.35
    4 Samaritan 8.37
    5 Palestinian 9.05
    6 Cyprian 9.19
    7 Lebanese_Christian 9.79
    8 Bedouin 11.3
    9 Kurdish_Jewish 11.49
    10 Iranian_Jewish 12
    11 Lebanese_Druze 12.45
    12 Libyan_Jewish 12.56
    13 Tunisian_Jewish 12.66
    14 Assyrian 12.89
    15 Sephardic_Jewish 15.24
    16 Georgian_Jewish 15.53
    17 Turkish 15.66
    18 Algerian_Jewish 15.73
    19 Italian_Jewish 16.99
    20 Egyptian 17

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70.4% Kurdish_Jewish + 29.6% Moroccan [at] 2.56
    2 96.1% Syrian + 3.9% Sardinian [at] 2.87
    3 94.8% Syrian + 5.2% Moroccan [at] 3.06
    4 98.6% Syrian + 1.4% Dai [at] 3.07
    5 98.4% Syrian + 1.6% Cambodian [at] 3.08
    6 98.5% Syrian + 1.5% Vietnamese [at] 3.08
    7 98.5% Syrian + 1.5% Lahu [at] 3.09
    8 98.4% Syrian + 1.6% Malay [at] 3.09
    9 98.6% Syrian + 1.4% She [at] 3.1
    10 98.6% Syrian + 1.4% Miaozu [at] 3.1
    11 98.6% Syrian + 1.4% Tujia [at] 3.1
    12 98.2% Syrian + 1.8% Tibeto-Burman_Burmese [at] 3.11
    13 98.5% Syrian + 1.5% Yizu [at] 3.14
    14 98.5% Syrian + 1.5% Naxi [at] 3.14
    15 95.5% Syrian + 4.5% Mozabite_Berber [at] 3.15
    16 92.6% Syrian + 7.4% Algerian_Jewish [at] 3.15
    17 98.6% Syrian + 1.4% Japanese [at] 3.17
    18 98.5% Syrian + 1.5% Tu [at] 3.17
    19 95.3% Syrian + 4.7% Tunisian [at] 3.18
    20 88.1% Syrian + 11.9% Cyprian [at] 3.18



    Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
     
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 37.17
    2 West_Asian 20.76
    3 West_Med 15.75
    4 Red_Sea 12.88
    5 Northeast_African 3.83
    6 South_Asian 3.68
    7 North_Atlantic 1.95
    8 East_Asian 1.59
    9 Sub-Saharan 1.46


    Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
    13 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Syrian [at] 3.599342
    2 Lebanese_Muslim [at] 5.804161
    3 Jordanian [at] 7.933835
    4 Samaritan [at] 9.539104
    5 Cyprian [at] 9.920276
    6 Palestinian [at] 10.236712
    7 Lebanese_Christian [at] 11.108497
    8 Bedouin [at] 12.250223
    9 Kurdish_Jewish [at] 12.908946
    10 Iranian_Jewish [at] 13.423899
    11 Lebanese_Druze [at] 14.075435
    12 Libyan_Jewish [at] 14.364171
    13 Assyrian [at] 14.434152
    14 Tunisian_Jewish [at] 14.519131
    15 Sephardic_Jewish [at] 17.320784
    16 Turkish [at] 17.452847
    17 Georgian_Jewish [at] 17.580265
    18 Algerian_Jewish [at] 17.853868
    19 Egyptian [at] 18.096497
    20 Italian_Jewish [at] 19.269295

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Syrian +50% Syrian [at] 3.599342


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Kurdish_Jewish +25% Moroccan +25% Syrian [at] 2.737257


    Using 4 populations approximation:
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    1 Georgian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish + Moroccan + Samaritan [at] 2.475870
    2 Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Moroccan + Samaritan [at] 2.586026
    3 Assyrian + Iranian_Jewish + Moroccan + Samaritan [at] 2.663227
    4 Assyrian + Kurdish_Jewish + Moroccan + Samaritan [at] 2.692262
    5 Iranian + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Moroccan [at] 2.724387
    6 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Moroccan + Syrian [at] 2.737257
    7 Georgian_Jewish + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Moroccan [at] 2.809510
    8 Assyrian + Assyrian + Moroccan + Samaritan [at] 2.833431
    9 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Muslim + Moroccan [at] 2.884545
    10 Assyrian + Kurdish_Jewish + Moroccan + Syrian [at] 2.886224
    11 Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Moroccan + Syrian [at] 2.890807
    12 Georgian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Moroccan [at] 2.891293
    13 Assyrian + Iranian_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Moroccan [at] 2.900908
    14 Assyrian + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Christian + Moroccan [at] 2.916861
    15 Iranian + Lebanese_Christian + Moroccan + Samaritan [at] 2.921981
    16 Kurdish + Lebanese_Christian + Lebanese_Christian + Moroccan [at] 2.926814
    17 Kurdish + Lebanese_Christian + Moroccan + Samaritan [at] 3.002359
    18 Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Lebanese_Muslim + Moroccan [at] 3.019059
    19 Iranian_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Moroccan + Samaritan [at] 3.020729
    20 Kurdish_Jewish + Kurdish_Jewish + Moroccan + Samaritan [at] 3.032532


    Dodecad V3 Oracle
     
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 31.21
    2 Mediterranean 27.97
    3 Southwest_Asian 20.23
    4 West_European 4.16
    5 East_African 4.01
    6 South_Asian 3.98
    7 Northwest_African 3.82
    8 Neo_African 1.42
    9 East_European 1.2
    10 Southeast_Asian 1.12
    11 Palaeo_African 0.6
    12 Northeast_Asian 0.3

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Lebanese (Behar) 5.49
    2 Palestinian (HGDP) 5.75
    3 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 8.14
    4 Jordanians_19 (Behar) 8.96
    5 Samaritians (Behar) 9.03
    6 Syrians (Behar) 9.52
    7 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 9.62
    8 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 9.82
    9 Druze (HGDP) 10.18
    10 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 10.25
    11 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 12.04
    12 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 14.14
    13 Kurd (Xing) 14.15
    14 Egypt (Henn) 14.95
    15 Turkish (Dodecad) 15.6
    16 Kurd (Dodecad) 15.98
    17 Cypriots (Behar) 16.08
    18 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 17.75
    19 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 17.9
    20 Assyrian (Dodecad) 18.32

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 55.6% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 44.4% Egypt (Henn) [at] 2.78
    2 61.7% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 38.3% Egypt (Henn) [at] 3.2
    3 66.4% Palestinian (HGDP) + 33.6% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) [at] 3.35
    4 76.6% Palestinian (HGDP) + 23.4% Turkish (Dodecad) [at] 3.38
    5 73.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 26.7% Libya (Henn) [at] 3.41
    6 66.4% Georgia_Jews (Behar) + 33.6% Egypt (Henn) [at] 3.47
    7 61.3% Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) + 38.7% Egypt (Henn) [at] 3.52
    8 68.2% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) + 31.8% Libya (Henn) [at] 3.6
    9 75.7% Palestinian (HGDP) + 24.3% Kurd (Xing) [at] 3.72
    10 78.2% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 21.8% Algeria (Henn) [at] 3.73
    11 78.2% Palestinian (HGDP) + 21.8% Kurd (Dodecad) [at] 3.79
    12 91.3% Lebanese (Behar) + 8.7% Pathan (HGDP) [at] 3.79
    13 77% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 23% Algeria (Henn) [at] 3.79
    14 81.1% Palestinian (HGDP) + 18.9% Turks (Behar) [at] 3.85
    15 90.7% Palestinian (HGDP) + 9.3% Pathan (HGDP) [at] 3.85
    16 92.2% Lebanese (Behar) + 7.8% Burusho (HGDP) [at] 3.85
    17 60.3% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 39.7% Egypt (Henn) [at] 3.87
    18 79.4% Iranian_Jews (Behar) + 20.6% Morocco_N (Henn) [at] 3.91
    19 92.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 7.6% Pakistani (Xing) [at] 3.92
    20 93.5% Lebanese (Behar) + 6.5% Vaish (Reich) [at] 3.92


    Dodecad V3 4-Ancestors Oracle
     
    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 West_Asian 31.21
    2 Mediterranean 27.97
    3 Southwest_Asian 20.23
    4 West_European 4.16
    5 East_African 4.01
    6 South_Asian 3.98
    7 Northwest_African 3.82
    8 Neo_African 1.42
    9 East_European 1.20
    10 Southeast_Asian 1.12


    Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
    12 components mode.

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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Lebanese_Behar [at] 6.051296
    2 Palestinian_HGDP [at] 6.190341
    3 Georgia_Jews_Behar [at] 9.075993
    4 Jordanians_19_Behar [at] 9.893501
    5 Samaritians_Behar [at] 9.907512
    6 Syrians_Behar [at] 10.520269
    7 Iranian_Jews_Behar [at] 10.782315
    8 Uzbekistan_Jews_Behar [at] 10.865858
    9 Druze_HGDP [at] 11.437856
    10 Iraq_Jews_Behar [at] 11.507357
    11 Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar [at] 13.577746
    12 Morocco_Jews_Behar [at] 15.754265
    13 Kurd_Xing [at] 15.762714
    14 Egypt_Henn [at] 16.241209
    15 Turkish_Dodecad [at] 17.293442
    16 Cypriots_Behar [at] 17.627031
    17 Kurd_Dodecad [at] 17.769371
    18 Sephardic_Jews_Behar [at] 19.603155
    19 Ashkenazi_Dodecad [at] 19.905909
    20 Ashkenazy_Jews_Behar [at] 20.693220

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Azerbaijan_Jews_Behar +50% Egypt_Henn [at] 3.160144


    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Iranian_Jews_Behar +25% Morocco_Jews_Behar +25% Egypt_Henn [at] 1.779255

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    Given the area you're from I'd say you have Jewish ancestry but it's distant. Many Jews converted to Islam from the 7th century onwards. However, most of the Mizrahi and Ashkenazi you're getting is based on overlap between Arab and Jewish populations.
    Ancestry- 57% Irish and Scottish, 43% English, Welsh and Northwestern European
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    Quote Originally Posted by mildlycurly View Post
    Given the area you're from I'd say you have Jewish ancestry but it's distant. Many Jews converted to Islam from the 7th century onwards. However, most of the Mizrahi and Ashkenazi you're getting is based on overlap between Arab and Jewish populations.
    Yup it's already clear to me that any Jewish ancestry would be quite distant as the over thousand matches I got are all in the 7 to 15 cM region

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyouare View Post
    Yup it's already clear to me that any Jewish ancestry would be quite distant as the over thousand matches I got are all in the 7 to 15 cM region
    That and there's pedigree collapse among Ashkenazi Jews in particular. I share enough cM with some of my Jewish matches on GEDmatch to indicate we'd be third cousins in some instances, which is clearly not true given all my ancestors in the last five generations or so were Christian and my Jewish component generally doesn't show up on tests. So if you've got Jewish ancestry it's waaaaaaaaaay back.
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    With such results, it's safe to say that most of your ancestry is derived from the region's native pre-Arab population (essentially Judean, Israelite, Phoenician and Aramean). Hence the Jewish matches. My father (Ashkenazi and Krymchak) also shares identical segments with non-Jewish Syrian and Palestinian (presumably Muslim) matches, as well as several Samaritan ones, generally in the 7-9cM range, this is unlikely to be recent so this tends to go both ways really.

    Where in Israel is your family from exactly? This might prove useful in narrowing down the potential sources of non-Arabian ancestry. What about your uniparental markers (Y-DNA and mtDNA)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    With such results, it's safe to say that most of your ancestry is derived from the region's native pre-Arab population (essentially Judean, Israelite, Phoenician and Aramean). Hence the Jewish matches. My father (Ashkenazi and Krymchak) also shares identical segments with non-Jewish Syrian and Palestinian (presumably Muslim) matches, as well as several Samaritan ones, generally in the 7-9cM range, this is unlikely to be recent so this tends to go both ways really.

    Where in Israel is your family from exactly? This might prove useful in narrowing down the potential sources of non-Arabian ancestry. What about your uniparental markers (Y-DNA and mtDNA)?
    Galilee, or did you wanna know the specific town(s)?
    As for Y-DNA and mtDNA, MyHeritage doesn't provide those, sadly. What info could be derived from that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyouare View Post
    Galilee, or did you wanna know the specific town(s)?
    As for Y-DNA and mtDNA, MyHeritage doesn't provide those, sadly. What info could be derived from that?
    The Galilee was a fairly cosmopolitan area, during the Iron I and Iron II phases it was a nexus where a predominantly Israelite and Phoenician population cohabitated with the Arameans (who often raided and settled in the Galilee). It continued to be a fairly cosmopolitan place, Sepphoris is a pretty good example of that. The Hasmoneans conquered the Galilee at the end of the 2nd century BCE and forcibly converted the Itureans (who were probably of Aramean stock) to Judaism, henceforth the Galilee became a major Jewish center so well that even after the devastating Jewish-Roman wars some parts of the Galilee retained a Jewish majority, this is where the Jerusalem Talmud originated.

    Knowing the specific town could be useful, what would be even more useful would be knowing your specific tribal affiliation (if you do know about it). In turn, this is where Y-DNA testing comes into play, as you could be of Arabian descent on your paternal line for instance, in which case your paternal lineage could prove helpful in validating or invalidating your tribal affiliation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    The Galilee was a fairly cosmopolitan area, during the Iron I and Iron II phases it was a nexus where a predominantly Israelite and Phoenician population cohabitated with the Arameans (who often raided and settled in the Galilee). It continued to be a fairly cosmopolitan place, Sepphoris is a pretty good example of that. The Hasmoneans conquered the Galilee at the end of the 2nd century BCE and forcibly converted the Itureans (who were probably of Aramean stock) to Judaism, henceforth the Galilee became a major Jewish center so well that even after the devastating Jewish-Roman wars some parts of the Galilee retained a Jewish majority, this is where the Jerusalem Talmud originated.

    Knowing the specific town could be useful, what would be even more useful would be knowing your specific tribal affiliation (if you do know about it). In turn, this is where Y-DNA testing comes into play, as you could be of Arabian descent on your paternal line for instance, in which case your paternal lineage could prove helpful in validating or invalidating your tribal affiliation.
    I have to say, I'm at loss right now because outside the Bedouin community tribes are not a thing here so I do not know what you're referring to. Do you live/have you ever lived in Israel?

    The standard 23andme test kit includes a Y-DNA test, correct? I've been considering doing that.

    As for the specific towns, I could PM you them if you'd like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    The Galilee was a fairly cosmopolitan area, during the Iron I and Iron II phases it was a nexus where a predominantly Israelite and Phoenician population cohabitated with the Arameans (who often raided and settled in the Galilee). It continued to be a fairly cosmopolitan place, Sepphoris is a pretty good example of that. The Hasmoneans conquered the Galilee at the end of the 2nd century BCE and forcibly converted the Itureans (who were probably of Aramean stock) to Judaism, henceforth the Galilee became a major Jewish center so well that even after the devastating Jewish-Roman wars some parts of the Galilee retained a Jewish majority, this is where the Jerusalem Talmud originated.

    Knowing the specific town could be useful, what would be even more useful would be knowing your specific tribal affiliation (if you do know about it). In turn, this is where Y-DNA testing comes into play, as you could be of Arabian descent on your paternal line for instance, in which case your paternal lineage could prove helpful in validating or invalidating your tribal affiliation.
    Yeah, there’s (practically) continuity all the way through the Ottoman period as well. I think the (Upper?) Galilee might’ve been the only part of the region with a rural Jewish population in the 2nd millennium CE. And considering the neverending, albeit small, stream of Diaspora pilgrims, wouldn’t surprise me if some Galilean Arabs had minor Sephardi or Ashkenazi ancestry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    Yeah, there’s (practically) continuity all the way through the Ottoman period as well. I think the (Upper?) Galilee might’ve been the only part of the region with a rural Jewish population in the 2nd millennium CE. And considering the neverending, albeit small, stream of Diaspora pilgrims, wouldn’t surprise me if some Galilean Arabs had minor Sephardi or Ashkenazi ancestry.
    Estimates are shaky, but I have heard that around half of all the Jews living in pre-Zionist Palestine/Israel lived in the Galilee.

    The Earthquake of 1837 totally rocked rocked Galilee, and many Galilean Jews afterwards moved to Jerusalem.

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