# Thread: World K=8 calculator based on G25 scaled coordinates

1. Originally Posted by Tolan
I don't know what is the purpose of this calculator.
If we want to define from the least mixed European populations, then the choice of components doesn't seem very good:

The Basques are a mix of WHG and Farmer Anatolian
Amerindians have too much correspondence with Eastern Europeans
The Greek are also a mixture of Mediterranean and Slavs.

I would take instead, the Sardinians, the most Neolithic of Europe.
I keep Latvians.
I replace the Amerindians with Siberians (randomly, the Selkups)
I add a population of the North Caucasus. Important for the Europeans who come from it by the Indo-Europeans.

So, here for me:

[1] "distance%=4.1174 / distance=0.041174"
"Baltic_Latvian" 49.2
"Med_Sardinian" 39.7
"N-Cau_Kabardin" 5.95
"Cau_Georgian_Imer" 5.05
"South_Asian" 0.1
"East_Asian" 0
"African" 0
"Siberian_Selkup" 0
Thanks for your format, if you have some time can you run result?

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Mykhailo_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.056202, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718

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Mykhailo,0.0113,0.0124,0.0184,0.0174,0.0122,0.0071 ,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0001,-0.0098,-0.003,-0.0053,0.0121,0.013,-0.0102,0.0085,0.0182,-0.0007,-0.0012,0.0075,-0.0051,-0.0017,0.0044,0.0003,0.0006

2. Originally Posted by Tolan
I don't know what is the purpose of this calculator.
If we want to define from the least mixed European populations, then the choice of components doesn't seem very good:

The Basques are a mix of WHG and Farmer Anatolian
Amerindians have too much correspondence with Eastern Europeans
The Greek are also a mixture of Mediterranean and Slavs.

I would take instead, the Sardinians, the most Neolithic of Europe.
I keep Latvians.
I replace the Amerindians with Siberians (randomly, the Selkups)
I add a population of the North Caucasus. Important for the Europeans who come from it by the Indo-Europeans.

So, here for me:

[1] "distance%=4.1174 / distance=0.041174"
"Baltic_Latvian" 49.2
"Med_Sardinian" 39.7
"N-Cau_Kabardin" 5.95
"Cau_Georgian_Imer" 5.05
"South_Asian" 0.1
"East_Asian" 0
"African" 0
"Siberian_Selkup" 0
I proposed Sardinian since the begining. The best choice for Med of course. Maltese, Cypriots, Sicilian are without Slav input but with higher MENA instead.

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4. The question is if you're trying to set it up to be accurate for Europeans only or more generally for the world. But even for Europeans only, as I wrote you still need a "MENA" reference for southern Italians, Sicilians, some Greeks, etc. Sardinian won't be enough for that. Also if it's just for Europe I would replace Native Americans with Siberians as Tolan suggested.

Overall given how many ancient samples we have now I'd just stick to those for building calculators. :-)

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6. "distance%=2.2649"

Baltic,44
Mediterranean,39
Atlantic,8.4
Caucasian,8.4
African,0.2

"1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
Mediterranean Baltic Atlantic Caucasian South_Asian
7.165268 9.364556 10.058498 17.026835 43.939656
East_Asian Amerindian African
61.022431 66.078571 76.581782

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8. Lol what? XD

[1] "distance%=3.9242"

Kaspias_scaled

Mediterranean,71
Caucasian,11.6
Baltic,6.8
East_Asian,3.6
South_Asian,3.2
Amerindian,2.8
African,1

9. Originally Posted by Tolan
I don't know what is the purpose of this calculator.
If we want to define from the least mixed European populations, then the choice of components doesn't seem very good:

The Basques are a mix of WHG and Farmer Anatolian
Amerindians have too much correspondence with Eastern Europeans
The Greek are also a mixture of Mediterranean and Slavs.

I would take instead, the Sardinians, the most Neolithic of Europe.
I keep Latvians.
I replace the Amerindians with Siberians (randomly, the Selkups)
I add a population of the North Caucasus. Important for the Europeans who come from it by the Indo-Europeans.

So, here for me:

[1] "distance%=4.1174 / distance=0.041174"
"Baltic_Latvian" 49.2
"Med_Sardinian" 39.7
"N-Cau_Kabardin" 5.95
"Cau_Georgian_Imer" 5.05
"South_Asian" 0.1
"East_Asian" 0
"African" 0
"Siberian_Selkup" 0
That's a cool choice of components!
The reason why I chose Basques was to clearly distinguish NW-Europeans from NE-Europeans. To have this very clear distinction between Baltic and Atlantic admixtures. I admit that choosing Greek wasn't the best idea ever for Mediterranean.

My results:

[1] "distance%=2.6274"

michal3141

Latvian,74.6
Sardinian,15.6
Kabardin,7.2
Selkup,2.2
Paniya,0.4

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11. Originally Posted by Mykhailo
Thanks for your format, if you have some time can you run result?

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Mykhailo_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.056202, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718

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Mykhailo,0.0113,0.0124,0.0184,0.0174,0.0122,0.0071 ,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0001,-0.0098,-0.003,-0.0053,0.0121,0.013,-0.0102,0.0085,0.0182,-0.0007,-0.0012,0.0075,-0.0051,-0.0017,0.0044,0.0003,0.0006
[1] "distance%=2.7697"

Mykhailo_scaled

Latvian,75
Sardinian,15.4
Kabardin,8.8
Yoruba,0.4
Georgian_Imer,0.2
Selkup,0.2

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13. Just split the med into West and East. The thing is that Sardinians and West Meds in general have more WHG ancestry, while in South Italy, Greece and Cyprus there's more CHG and less farmer instead.

I also don't see how's that connected to the MENA.
Probably Iron Age Anatolia if anything and in Italians it's from the Greeks.

14. Originally Posted by sprfls
It's not just that Greeks have Slavic admixture; you also need to capture the Levantine-related ancestry that's relevant for some southern Europeans. The choices others have suggested for Mediterranean will be better than Greek -- Maltese, Crete, Italian South, Italian Abruzzo, or Sicilian (assuming you want to stick to using modern populations.)
The Levant-related ancestry seems to be sucked into "Mediterranean".

Is there more Levant-related ancestry in Abruzzese or in mainland Greeks? I admit I have no idea what the Abruzzese are like. I assume they are somewhat shifted toward Central Italy when compared to people from further south. I actually have not seen Abruzzo in any of the studies that address this like Sarno et al 2017, which has Apulia, Calabria, and Sicily (all of which have post-Neolithic Levantine ancestry) but Abruzzo and even Campania were excluded from the study.

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16. Originally Posted by Sikeliot
Is there more Levant-related ancestry in Abruzzese or in mainland Greeks?
Yes, almost definitely. Here's a quick test using only populations from the Chalcolithic:

[1] "distance%=2.5659"

Greek

Beaker,35.2
Anatolia_ChL,22
Yamanya,22
Balkans_ChL,7.8
Beaker_no_steppe,6.8
Levant_ChL,6.2

[1] "distance%=1.5405"

Italian_Abruzzo

Anatolia_ChL,33.6
Beaker,29.4
Yamanya,13.8
Levant_ChL,11.2
Balkans_ChL,7
Beaker_no_steppe,5

[1] "distance%=2.0348"

Italian_South

Anatolia_ChL,40.6
Beaker,16.8
Yamanya,15.2
Levant_ChL,14
Beaker_no_steppe,6.8
Balkans_ChL,6.6

[1] "distance%=2.066"

Sicilian_East

Anatolia_ChL,38.2
Beaker,20.4
Levant_ChL,17.2
Yamanya,13
Beaker_no_steppe,6.6
Balkans_ChL,4.6

[1] "distance%=1.5414"

Italian_Tuscan

Beaker,46.2
Anatolia_ChL,16.6
Yamanya,14.2
Beaker_no_steppe,10.2
Balkans_ChL,6.8
Levant_ChL,6

[1] "distance%=1.6273"

Italian_Bergamo

Beaker,64.6
Yamanya,11.4
Beaker_no_steppe,9.2
Anatolia_ChL,5
Levant_ChL,5
Balkans_ChL,4.8

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