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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    I don't know what is the purpose of this calculator.
    If we want to define from the least mixed European populations, then the choice of components doesn't seem very good:

    The Basques are a mix of WHG and Farmer Anatolian
    Amerindians have too much correspondence with Eastern Europeans
    The Greek are also a mixture of Mediterranean and Slavs.

    I would take instead, the Sardinians, the most Neolithic of Europe.
    I keep Latvians.
    I replace the Amerindians with Siberians (randomly, the Selkups)
    I add a population of the North Caucasus. Important for the Europeans who come from it by the Indo-Europeans.

    So, here for me:

    [1] "distance%=4.1174 / distance=0.041174"
    "Baltic_Latvian" 49.2
    "Med_Sardinian" 39.7
    "N-Cau_Kabardin" 5.95
    "Cau_Georgian_Imer" 5.05
    "South_Asian" 0.1
    "East_Asian" 0
    "African" 0
    "Siberian_Selkup" 0
    Thanks for your format, if you have some time can you run result?

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Mykhailo_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.056202, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718

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    Mykhailo,0.0113,0.0124,0.0184,0.0174,0.0122,0.0071 ,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0001,-0.0098,-0.003,-0.0053,0.0121,0.013,-0.0102,0.0085,0.0182,-0.0007,-0.0012,0.0075,-0.0051,-0.0017,0.0044,0.0003,0.0006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    I don't know what is the purpose of this calculator.
    If we want to define from the least mixed European populations, then the choice of components doesn't seem very good:

    The Basques are a mix of WHG and Farmer Anatolian
    Amerindians have too much correspondence with Eastern Europeans
    The Greek are also a mixture of Mediterranean and Slavs.

    I would take instead, the Sardinians, the most Neolithic of Europe.
    I keep Latvians.
    I replace the Amerindians with Siberians (randomly, the Selkups)
    I add a population of the North Caucasus. Important for the Europeans who come from it by the Indo-Europeans.

    So, here for me:

    [1] "distance%=4.1174 / distance=0.041174"
    "Baltic_Latvian" 49.2
    "Med_Sardinian" 39.7
    "N-Cau_Kabardin" 5.95
    "Cau_Georgian_Imer" 5.05
    "South_Asian" 0.1
    "East_Asian" 0
    "African" 0
    "Siberian_Selkup" 0
    I proposed Sardinian since the begining. The best choice for Med of course. Maltese, Cypriots, Sicilian are without Slav input but with higher MENA instead.

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    The question is if you're trying to set it up to be accurate for Europeans only or more generally for the world. But even for Europeans only, as I wrote you still need a "MENA" reference for southern Italians, Sicilians, some Greeks, etc. Sardinian won't be enough for that. Also if it's just for Europe I would replace Native Americans with Siberians as Tolan suggested.

    Overall given how many ancient samples we have now I'd just stick to those for building calculators. :-)

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    "distance%=2.2649"

    Baltic,44
    Mediterranean,39
    Atlantic,8.4
    Caucasian,8.4
    African,0.2

    "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Mediterranean Baltic Atlantic Caucasian South_Asian
    7.165268 9.364556 10.058498 17.026835 43.939656
    East_Asian Amerindian African
    61.022431 66.078571 76.581782
    You have more Neanderthal variants than 86% of 23andMe customers.
    However, your Neanderthal ancestry accounts for less than 4% of your overall DNA.

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    Lol what? XD


    [1] "distance%=3.9242"

    Kaspias_scaled

    Mediterranean,71
    Caucasian,11.6
    Baltic,6.8
    East_Asian,3.6
    South_Asian,3.2
    Amerindian,2.8
    African,1
    Last edited by Kaspias; 11-08-2018 at 04:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tolan View Post
    I don't know what is the purpose of this calculator.
    If we want to define from the least mixed European populations, then the choice of components doesn't seem very good:

    The Basques are a mix of WHG and Farmer Anatolian
    Amerindians have too much correspondence with Eastern Europeans
    The Greek are also a mixture of Mediterranean and Slavs.

    I would take instead, the Sardinians, the most Neolithic of Europe.
    I keep Latvians.
    I replace the Amerindians with Siberians (randomly, the Selkups)
    I add a population of the North Caucasus. Important for the Europeans who come from it by the Indo-Europeans.

    So, here for me:

    [1] "distance%=4.1174 / distance=0.041174"
    "Baltic_Latvian" 49.2
    "Med_Sardinian" 39.7
    "N-Cau_Kabardin" 5.95
    "Cau_Georgian_Imer" 5.05
    "South_Asian" 0.1
    "East_Asian" 0
    "African" 0
    "Siberian_Selkup" 0
    That's a cool choice of components!
    The reason why I chose Basques was to clearly distinguish NW-Europeans from NE-Europeans. To have this very clear distinction between Baltic and Atlantic admixtures. I admit that choosing Greek wasn't the best idea ever for Mediterranean.

    My results:

    [1] "distance%=2.6274"

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    Latvian,74.6
    Sardinian,15.6
    Kabardin,7.2
    Selkup,2.2
    Paniya,0.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mykhailo View Post
    Thanks for your format, if you have some time can you run result?

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    Mykhailo_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.056202, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718

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    Mykhailo,0.0113,0.0124,0.0184,0.0174,0.0122,0.0071 ,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0001,-0.0098,-0.003,-0.0053,0.0121,0.013,-0.0102,0.0085,0.0182,-0.0007,-0.0012,0.0075,-0.0051,-0.0017,0.0044,0.0003,0.0006
    [1] "distance%=2.7697"

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    Latvian,75
    Sardinian,15.4
    Kabardin,8.8
    Yoruba,0.4
    Georgian_Imer,0.2
    Selkup,0.2
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    Just split the med into West and East. The thing is that Sardinians and West Meds in general have more WHG ancestry, while in South Italy, Greece and Cyprus there's more CHG and less farmer instead.

    I also don't see how's that connected to the MENA.
    Probably Iron Age Anatolia if anything and in Italians it's from the Greeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sprfls View Post
    It's not just that Greeks have Slavic admixture; you also need to capture the Levantine-related ancestry that's relevant for some southern Europeans. The choices others have suggested for Mediterranean will be better than Greek -- Maltese, Crete, Italian South, Italian Abruzzo, or Sicilian (assuming you want to stick to using modern populations.)
    The Levant-related ancestry seems to be sucked into "Mediterranean".

    Is there more Levant-related ancestry in Abruzzese or in mainland Greeks? I admit I have no idea what the Abruzzese are like. I assume they are somewhat shifted toward Central Italy when compared to people from further south. I actually have not seen Abruzzo in any of the studies that address this like Sarno et al 2017, which has Apulia, Calabria, and Sicily (all of which have post-Neolithic Levantine ancestry) but Abruzzo and even Campania were excluded from the study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Is there more Levant-related ancestry in Abruzzese or in mainland Greeks?
    Yes, almost definitely. Here's a quick test using only populations from the Chalcolithic:

     

    [1] "distance%=2.5659"

    Greek

    Beaker,35.2
    Anatolia_ChL,22
    Yamanya,22
    Balkans_ChL,7.8
    Beaker_no_steppe,6.8
    Levant_ChL,6.2


    [1] "distance%=1.5405"

    Italian_Abruzzo

    Anatolia_ChL,33.6
    Beaker,29.4
    Yamanya,13.8
    Levant_ChL,11.2
    Balkans_ChL,7
    Beaker_no_steppe,5


    [1] "distance%=2.0348"

    Italian_South

    Anatolia_ChL,40.6
    Beaker,16.8
    Yamanya,15.2
    Levant_ChL,14
    Beaker_no_steppe,6.8
    Balkans_ChL,6.6


    [1] "distance%=2.066"

    Sicilian_East

    Anatolia_ChL,38.2
    Beaker,20.4
    Levant_ChL,17.2
    Yamanya,13
    Beaker_no_steppe,6.6
    Balkans_ChL,4.6


    [1] "distance%=1.5414"

    Italian_Tuscan

    Beaker,46.2
    Anatolia_ChL,16.6
    Yamanya,14.2
    Beaker_no_steppe,10.2
    Balkans_ChL,6.8
    Levant_ChL,6


    [1] "distance%=1.6273"

    Italian_Bergamo

    Beaker,64.6
    Yamanya,11.4
    Beaker_no_steppe,9.2
    Anatolia_ChL,5
    Levant_ChL,5
    Balkans_ChL,4.8


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