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    Hi all,

    Just a heads-up that the L664 SNP (under M417 xZ283,xZ93) has, unfortunately, proven to revert often enough not to be definitive, but is still only found in men of a definite STR cluster, and never outside it.

    So far the L872,L873,L874 found in a January 2012 WTY beyond L664 seem private. It is hoped that a new SNP that is more stable will emerge to replace L664, perhaps from the S/Z series.

    You can always keep up to date with the tree beyond M198 here:

    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1a/default.aspx

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    Further research has uncovered that the SNP itself is stable, the problem was with FTDNA's primers.
     

    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
    R1b-FGC32576 Ireland

    Other ancestral mtDNA lines:

    H1b2a Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    H6a1a3 Ukraine
    K1a9 Belarus (Ashkenazi)
    K1c2 Ireland
    V7a Ukraine

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    I belong to the L664+ group. In my case, it is Norwegian. However, I was once sent an email that there was a case of illegitimacy. So if anyone wants to investigate my L664+ origins, they must keep that in mind. We're talking farmers here, way up the Sogne Fjord (Gaupne).
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    L664 seems appropriate enough for Noway: that and L448. Could be an NPE but still a Norwegian.
     

    Other ancestral Y lines:

    E1b-M81 Ukraine (Ashkenazi)
    E1b-V13 England
    I1-M253 Ireland
    I2-M423 Ukraine
    R1a-L176.1 Scotland
    R1b-L584 Syria/Turkey (Sephardi)
    R1b-L20 Ireland
    R1b-L21 (1)England; (2)Wales?>Connecticut
    R1b-L48 England
    R1b-P312 Scotland
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    I just looked at ISOGG and see that there is another synonym for L664. It now shows "CTS7083/L664/S298".

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    Now that L664 (DYS 388=10) is being subdivided into 4 distinct subgroups, I speculate that my Norwegian subgroup was already in Norway (probably as Finns) before the Germanic people pushed their way up into the Scandinavian Peninsula. So we might have a case where part of L664 were the enemies of another part of L664.

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    There are 5 people shown in my little sub-group in the R1a Project. There is another that is not in the project. Of the 5 in the project, 3 are from Norway, with one from Finland. The 6th one, not in the project, is also from Norway on the swedish border. The fifth one (in the project) is given as being from Ireland. Ireland indicates a probable Norse/Viking influx to Ireland. That is not unusual for R1a in general, but it shows that L664 were also among the Vikings out of Norway. Maybe they'll find L664 in Iceland yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimore1937 View Post
    There are 5 people shown in my little sub-group in the R1a Project. There is another that is not in the project. Of the 5 in the project, 3 are from Norway, with one from Finland. The 6th one, not in the project, is also from Norway on the swedish border. The fifth one (in the project) is given as being from Ireland. Ireland indicates a probable Norse/Viking influx to Ireland. That is not unusual for R1a in general, but it shows that L664 were also among the Vikings out of Norway. Maybe they'll find L664 in Iceland yet.
    Oct 14th,
    I just checked the R1a project again, and guess what. There is a new match in my B3 L664 group. And he fraces back to Scotland. So there you go; Vikings!
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    I've been following your postings with interest, being L664 myself. Could you define the 4 subclusters? I've been unable to find this info, even on FamilyTree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RVBLAKE View Post
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    I've been following your postings with interest, being L664 myself. Could you define the 4 subclusters? I've been unable to find this info, even on FamilyTree.
    I'm basically a dummy with this stuff. I recommend that you look at the R1a project. Luckily L664 stuff is on the first page rather near the top. My little subgroup is colored yellowish-green within the S2894 section. In it are samples from Norway, Sweden and one from Finland. There are also diaspora in Scotland and Ireland, and one with unknown origin. But the number of samples is subject to change. I just noticed that the Swedish samples have been deleted. The earlier 4 subclusters have morphed into a more complex breakdown.

    https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/r-1a/activity-feed
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