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    Wink Balkans K4 Global25 Calculator

    This is my 1st attempt at a calculator, so take it with a grain of salt.
    It's based on Davidski's Global 25 and runs with your scaled coordinates, nMonte3 and R.

    The idea was to estimate the impact of 4 sources of admixture on the moderns. The key word here is "estimate", because we need way more samples for a more accurate model, ideally from Iron Age+.

    These are:

    • The OG Greek World: Minoan_Lasithi, MycenaeanI9006, MycenaeanI9010, MycenaeanI9033, MycenaeanI9041, Anatolia_MLBAMA2200 and Anatolia_MLBAMA2203
    • The Thracians and other horse<beep> "Barbarians": Balkans_IA5769, Balkans_BAI4331, Balkans_BAI4332, Scythian_HungaryDA195, Scythian_HungaryDA197, Scythian_HungaryDA198, Scythian_Moldovascy192, Scythian_Moldovascy197 and Scythian_Moldovascy300
    • The Slavic "Barbarians": Slavic_BohemiaRise569
    • The Mongol Horde: Han





    First of all, it will be pretty much useless if your ancestry does not come from around Southeast Europe (roughly from Hungary to Moldova then downwards until the Greek isles).
    Secondly, don't overthink it, but you will notice some interesting gradients:

    • Greek World-related admixture is most prominent in the Crete, then distributed equally among Greeks and Albanians, followed by Bulgarians and Macedonian Bulgarians. In general it slowly moves towards the Eastern side of the Balkans, but notably Serbs and Montenegrins who are in close contact with Albanians bear more of this ancestry than Bosniaks and Croatians.
    • The Thracian component peaks in Bulgarians, followed by Romanians then Macedonian Bulgarians and Serbs. Montenegrins oscillate also close, but then the rest of the pops are more detached.
    • The Slavic component peaks with Poles at 100% and Ukrainians at 99%. For our Southeast Europeans, it drops gradually on the Western side from Slovenia down along the Adriatic coast, then it takes a detour to Serbia. It overflows well into Albania and Greece, and by the time it reaches Crete, the potency is still there. Notably on the Eastern side, where the language of the moderns belongs to the Romance family, this migration resulted in levels comparable to those of their Slavic speaking counterparts.
    • The Mongol Horde and their descendants spared those sheltered by the mountains, but on the plains and steppes prior to them, some joyous mixing has happened. Perfectly consensual. This admixture peaks in yours truly, then Moldovans, Romanians and Bulgarians. Those signals deep down in Albania and the Crete are probably attributed to noise.




    Run it in R with the following:
    source('nMonte3.R')
    getMonte('data_file.txt', 'your_scaled_G25.txt', pen=0)

    data_file.txt
    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_HungaryDA195,0.113823,0.135065,0.036204,0.011951,0.034776,0.000279,-0.00376,-0.001615,0.008385,0.016766,-0.002598,-0.001349,-0.001338,-0.000688,-0.012758,0.008486,0.011213,0.003674,0.005405,0.003001,-0.00861,-0.002968,0.00912,-0.011086,-0.008023
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_HungaryDA197,0.114961,0.13405,0.065242,0.035207,0.032314,0.012829,-0.00423,0.008769,0.007567,0.002369,0.002598,-0.003597,-0.003865,0.004954,-0.0095,0.00716,0.017602,-0.003927,0.000503,-0.000375,-0.000499,0.000989,0.001109,-0.00976,-0.006945
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_HungaryDA198,0.118376,0.156392,0.02753,-0.027132,0.033852,-0.00753,0.00423,-0.000462,0.015339,0.029704,-0.000974,0.010491,-0.010555,0.001514,-0.010043,-0.01538,-0.000522,0.008108,0.006662,-0.007504,-0.010731,0.011376,-0.005053,0.004579,-0.006706
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_Moldovascy192,0.129758,0.138112,0.008297,-0.020672,0.012002,-0.012829,0.008225,-0.007846,0.005318,0.039181,0.007795,0.007943,-0.013677,0.003441,-0.007329,-0.000133,0.009648,-0.003294,0.005782,0.019009,-0.025954,0.006677,-0.015529,-0.009881,0.006586
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_Moldovascy197,0.133173,0.140143,0.007165,-0.020026,0.02185,-0.00753,0.019271,0.010615,-0.015953,0.018406,-0.000325,0.01169,-0.018434,0.002064,-0.009229,-0.018563,0.006128,-0.001647,-0.000503,-0.029139,0.003244,-0.000495,-0.005176,-0.012893,0.002994
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_Moldovascy300,0.106994,0.153345,0.021496,-0.029716,0.018157,-0.018128,-0.011986,-0.009461,0.004295,0.024602,-0.017538,0.01124,0.000149,-0.01679,-0.031351,0.026916,-0.005476,0.024831,0.006159,-0.015007,-0.021213,0.038703,0.003328,0.003374,0.016645
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Thracian,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Balkans_BAI4331,0.12862,0.151314,0.028284,-0.007429,0.038776,-0.006972,-0.00705,-0.006,0.003681,0.028064,0.006171,0.010341,-0.017542,-0.003578,-0.0076,0.006497,0.008084,-0.003041,0.006159,-0.011631,-0.005865,-0.001113,-0.00037,0.003856,-0.001197
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Balkans_BAI4332,0.120652,0.147252,0.034318,-0.012274,0.038469,0.002231,-0.00423,0.001154,0.009613,0.032074,-0.006008,0.01094,-0.012487,-0.014726,-0.005972,0.01074,0.02047,-0.00114,0.000754,-0.011005,-0.001248,0.008656,-0.00419,0.002048,-0.002395
    Slavic Migration,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0.046835,0.02739,0.013108,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018224,-0.000812,-0.004496,0.003717,0.007294,-0.011129,-0.003182,0.011474,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000742,0.001725,-0.001084,-0.006706
    Mongols et al.,0.0215316,-0.4503027,-0.0074797,-0.065246,0.0764247,0.0360932,0.0031333,-0.0045575,-0.0152541,-0.0028095,-0.0510712,-0.0069312,0.0079284,-0.007833,-0.0042411,0.0015247,0.0017167,-0.0003695,-0.0020322,-0.0103902,0.0126859,0.007079,0.0136394,-0.0015664,-0.0019957
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:Anatolia_MLBAMA2200,0.099026,0.153345,-0.049026,-0.076874,-0.003077,-0.02761,-0.00094,-0.002538,-0.011044,0.021139,0.009094,0.009741,-0.012933,-0.000688,-0.013572,-0.012596,0.008214,-0.001267,0.004902,-0.003126,-0.000873,0.002102,-0.001602,-0.00012,-0.008622
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:Anatolia_MLBAMA2203,0.093335,0.148267,-0.027907,-0.069122,0.005847,-0.0251,-0.010575,-0.007384,-0.004704,0.03426,0.009906,0.004346,-0.012042,-0.000413,-0.012758,0.009016,0.009388,-0.001394,0.012444,-0.015883,-0.007861,0.010263,-0.00493,0.006266,-0.002634
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:Minoan_Lasithi,0.1192866,0.170609,-0.0181772,-0.093993,0.0295438,-0.0398256,-0.001316,-0.0034614,0.0103488,0.0598102,0.0029878,0.0153164,-0.0251238,-5.48e-05,-0.0374586,-0.0109518,0.0173934,-0.0012414,0.0088742,-0.0136316,-0.0133764,0.0083836,-0.0050776,-0.0010604,-0.0024428
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:MycenaeanI9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:MycenaeanI9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:MycenaeanI9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:MycenaeanI9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
    Have fun and pray that you are not a complete "barbarian".
    Last edited by Dorkymon; 11-07-2018 at 10:37 PM.
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    23andme: 53.5% South Euro (41.8% Balkan), 22.4% East Euro, 7.3% Northwest Euro, 0.3% Ashkenazi, 14.7% Broadly Euro, 1.8% East Asian
    MyHeritage: 92.2% Balkan, 5.8% English, 1.1% Eskimo, 0.9% Japanese
    FTDNA: 45% Southeast Euro, 45% East Euro, 4% British Isles, 3% West Middle East, 2% NE Asia
    Global 25: 45.2% Levant_N, 37.2% EHG, 8.2% WHG, 8% Iran_N, 1.4% East Asian

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    My result:

    "distance%=2.9927"


    ph2ter_scaled


    Slavic Migration,88
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World,11.4
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    CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"

    Slavic Migration 3.299744
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_HungaryDA197 4.575797
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_HungaryDA195 6.710657
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Balkans_BAI4331 9.178576
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Balkans_BAI4332 9.711234
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_HungaryDA198 10.430483
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_Moldovascy197 10.889825
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_Moldovascy192 11.603085
    Last edited by ph2ter; 11-07-2018 at 10:32 PM.
     
    Paper Trail MyHeritage K36 G25 Mod. FTDNA
    NW Croatian 87.5%
    Slovenian 6.25%
    Unknown 6.25%
    E. Europe 35.7%
    Balkan 34.4%
    Scandinavia 21.2%
    Baltic 8.7%
    Grenzmark 0.94
    Czechs 0.93,
    Hungary 0.91
    Volhyn 0.91,
    C. Rusyns 0.91
    Slovenia 0.91
    Czech 1.79
    Hungarian 2.02
    Slovenian 2.07
    Croatian 2.39
    Ukrainian 3.01
    East Europe 99%
    Trace 1%

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    [1] "distance%=2.0088"

    Prosigoj

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    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World,30.2
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World,12.4



    [1] "distance%=2.8892"

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    Last edited by Просигој; 11-08-2018 at 11:45 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Просигој View Post
    [1] "distance%=2.0088"

    Me:

    Slavic Migration,40.6
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World,18.8
    Scythian_HungaryDA195,18.2
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World,8.2
    MycenaeanI9006,5.2
    Scythian_Moldovascy192,5
    Anatolia_MLBAMA2200,4

    [1] "distance%=2.8892"

    Father:

    Slavic Migration,39.2
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World,18.6
    Scythian_HungaryDA195,14.8
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World,10.4
    MycenaeanI9006,6.8
    Scythian_HungaryDA198,5.6
    Anatolia_MLBAMA2200,3.4
    Minoan_Lasithi,1.2
    Something's wrong on your run, as the references are not grouped into 4 components.
    Make sure that you run it with nMonte3 and pen=0.
    Known ancestry: 1/2 Romanian Northeast + 1/4 Romanian Southeast + 1/4 Romanian Bukovina Ukraine
    23andme: 53.5% South Euro (41.8% Balkan), 22.4% East Euro, 7.3% Northwest Euro, 0.3% Ashkenazi, 14.7% Broadly Euro, 1.8% East Asian
    MyHeritage: 92.2% Balkan, 5.8% English, 1.1% Eskimo, 0.9% Japanese
    FTDNA: 45% Southeast Euro, 45% East Euro, 4% British Isles, 3% West Middle East, 2% NE Asia
    Global 25: 45.2% Levant_N, 37.2% EHG, 8.2% WHG, 8% Iran_N, 1.4% East Asian

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    My results (just for fun because I don't belong to Balkans):

    [1] "distance%=3.6247"

    michal3141

    Slavic Migration,97
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    Anyone can run result for me, Ukrainian?

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Mykhailo_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.056202, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Mykhailo,0.0113,0.0124,0.0184,0.0174,0.0122,0.0071 ,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0001,-0.0098,-0.003,-0.0053,0.0121,0.013,-0.0102,0.0085,0.0182,-0.0007,-0.0012,0.0075,-0.0051,-0.0017,0.0044,0.0003,0.0006

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mykhailo View Post
    Anyone can run result for me, Ukrainian?

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Mykhailo_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.056202, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Mykhailo,0.0113,0.0124,0.0184,0.0174,0.0122,0.0071 ,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0001,-0.0098,-0.003,-0.0053,0.0121,0.013,-0.0102,0.0085,0.0182,-0.0007,-0.0012,0.0075,-0.0051,-0.0017,0.0044,0.0003,0.0006
    Sure, your results:

    [1] "distance%=3.7091"

    Mykhailo_scaled

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    Mongols et al.,0.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    Something's wrong on your run, as the references are not grouped into 4 components.
    Make sure that you run it with nMonte3 and pen=0.
    I don't know what is the problem. I copied table as it is in notepad and followed the instructions as I always do. Still the same output.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michal3141 View Post
    Sure, your results:

    [1] "distance%=3.7091"

    Mykhailo_scaled

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    Interesting this calculator result, I am similar with Croatian

    Where is south admixture on this calc? For example some south admixture that is not from Pre-Slavic Greek World?

    Is counted with Slavic Migration?

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    I like this calculator though, the names are good keep it

    Anti-Barbarian calc lol

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