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    Another non-Balkans result for laughs:

    [1] "penalty= 0"
    [1] "Ncycles= 1000"
    [1] "distance%=4.9416"

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoxVoldius View Post
    Another non-Balkans result for laughs:

    [1] "penalty= 0"
    [1] "Ncycles= 1000"
    [1] "distance%=4.9416"

    PV_scaled

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    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World,31.2
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    Do you think is wrong?

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    Can someone run for me? I'm Barbaricized Bulgarian.

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    Kaspias_scaled,0.103579,0.08632,0.013199,-0.010982,-0.002462,-0.009761,0.00094,0.005077,-0.006136,0.000911,0.000162,-0.000749,0.002379,-0.005505,-0.012486,0.013524,0.015255,0.00152,0.007668,0.0043 77,-0.004866,-0.000247,0,0.010001,-0.002155

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mykhailo View Post
    Do you think is wrong?
    More as Dorkymon said, not particularly useful in my case, as I don't have any known ancestry from SE Europe. Most of my known ancestry is German, British Isles, Czech, and Dutch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorkymon View Post
    This is my 1st attempt at a calculator, so take it with a grain of salt.
    It's based on Davidski's Global 25 and runs with your scaled coordinates, nMonte3 and R.

    The idea was to estimate the impact of 4 sources of admixture on the moderns. The key word here is "estimate", because we need way more samples for a more accurate model, ideally from Iron Age+.

    These are:

    • The OG Greek World: Minoan_Lasithi, MycenaeanI9006, MycenaeanI9010, MycenaeanI9033, MycenaeanI9041, Anatolia_MLBAMA2200 and Anatolia_MLBAMA2203
    • The Thracians and other horse<beep> "Barbarians": Balkans_IA5769, Balkans_BAI4331, Balkans_BAI4332, Scythian_HungaryDA195, Scythian_HungaryDA197, Scythian_HungaryDA198, Scythian_Moldovascy192, Scythian_Moldovascy197 and Scythian_Moldovascy300
    • The Slavic "Barbarians": Slavic_BohemiaRise569
    • The Mongol Horde: Han





    First of all, it will be pretty much useless if your ancestry does not come from around Southeast Europe (roughly from Hungary to Moldova then downwards until the Greek isles).
    Secondly, don't overthink it, but you will notice some interesting gradients:

    • Greek World-related admixture is most prominent in the Crete, then distributed equally among Greeks and Albanians, followed by Bulgarians and Macedonian Bulgarians. In general it slowly moves towards the Eastern side of the Balkans, but notably Serbs and Montenegrins who are in close contact with Albanians bear more of this ancestry than Bosniaks and Croatians.
    • The Thracian component peaks in Bulgarians, followed by Romanians then Macedonian Bulgarians and Serbs. Montenegrins oscillate also close, but then the rest of the pops are more detached.
    • The Slavic component peaks with Poles at 100% and Ukrainians at 99%. For our Southeast Europeans, it drops gradually on the Western side from Slovenia down along the Adriatic coast, then it takes a detour to Serbia. It overflows well into Albania and Greece, and by the time it reaches Crete, the potency is still there. Notably on the Eastern side, where the language of the moderns belongs to the Romance family, this migration resulted in levels comparable to those of their Slavic speaking counterparts.
    • The Mongol Horde and their descendants spared those sheltered by the mountains, but on the plains and steppes prior to them, some joyous mixing has happened. Perfectly consensual. This admixture peaks in yours truly, then Moldovans, Romanians and Bulgarians. Those signals deep down in Albania and the Crete are probably attributed to noise.




    Run it in R with the following:
    source('nMonte3.R')
    getMonte('data_file.txt', 'your_scaled_G25.txt', pen=0)

    data_file.txt
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    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_HungaryDA195,0.113823,0.135065,0.036204,0.011951,0.034776,0.000279,-0.00376,-0.001615,0.008385,0.016766,-0.002598,-0.001349,-0.001338,-0.000688,-0.012758,0.008486,0.011213,0.003674,0.005405,0.003001,-0.00861,-0.002968,0.00912,-0.011086,-0.008023
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_HungaryDA197,0.114961,0.13405,0.065242,0.035207,0.032314,0.012829,-0.00423,0.008769,0.007567,0.002369,0.002598,-0.003597,-0.003865,0.004954,-0.0095,0.00716,0.017602,-0.003927,0.000503,-0.000375,-0.000499,0.000989,0.001109,-0.00976,-0.006945
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_HungaryDA198,0.118376,0.156392,0.02753,-0.027132,0.033852,-0.00753,0.00423,-0.000462,0.015339,0.029704,-0.000974,0.010491,-0.010555,0.001514,-0.010043,-0.01538,-0.000522,0.008108,0.006662,-0.007504,-0.010731,0.011376,-0.005053,0.004579,-0.006706
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_Moldovascy192,0.129758,0.138112,0.008297,-0.020672,0.012002,-0.012829,0.008225,-0.007846,0.005318,0.039181,0.007795,0.007943,-0.013677,0.003441,-0.007329,-0.000133,0.009648,-0.003294,0.005782,0.019009,-0.025954,0.006677,-0.015529,-0.009881,0.006586
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_Moldovascy197,0.133173,0.140143,0.007165,-0.020026,0.02185,-0.00753,0.019271,0.010615,-0.015953,0.018406,-0.000325,0.01169,-0.018434,0.002064,-0.009229,-0.018563,0.006128,-0.001647,-0.000503,-0.029139,0.003244,-0.000495,-0.005176,-0.012893,0.002994
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Scythian_Moldovascy300,0.106994,0.153345,0.021496,-0.029716,0.018157,-0.018128,-0.011986,-0.009461,0.004295,0.024602,-0.017538,0.01124,0.000149,-0.01679,-0.031351,0.026916,-0.005476,0.024831,0.006159,-0.015007,-0.021213,0.038703,0.003328,0.003374,0.016645
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Thracian,0.126344,0.157407,0.007165,-0.051034,0.029852,-0.02259,0.00423,-0.001385,0.007772,0.032074,-0.001461,0.005695,-0.013974,-0.003028,-0.015065,-0.001458,0.01369,0.006968,0.006285,-0.014757,-0.006239,0.004699,-0.007888,0.003494,-0.008861
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Balkans_BAI4331,0.12862,0.151314,0.028284,-0.007429,0.038776,-0.006972,-0.00705,-0.006,0.003681,0.028064,0.006171,0.010341,-0.017542,-0.003578,-0.0076,0.006497,0.008084,-0.003041,0.006159,-0.011631,-0.005865,-0.001113,-0.00037,0.003856,-0.001197
    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World:Balkans_BAI4332,0.120652,0.147252,0.034318,-0.012274,0.038469,0.002231,-0.00423,0.001154,0.009613,0.032074,-0.006008,0.01094,-0.012487,-0.014726,-0.005972,0.01074,0.02047,-0.00114,0.000754,-0.011005,-0.001248,0.008656,-0.00419,0.002048,-0.002395
    Slavic Migration,0.12862,0.129988,0.068259,0.046835,0.02739,0.013108,0.007285,0.014076,-0.001841,-0.018224,-0.000812,-0.004496,0.003717,0.007294,-0.011129,-0.003182,0.011474,-0.002027,-0.002388,-0.004752,0.005615,0.000742,0.001725,-0.001084,-0.006706
    Mongols et al.,0.0215316,-0.4503027,-0.0074797,-0.065246,0.0764247,0.0360932,0.0031333,-0.0045575,-0.0152541,-0.0028095,-0.0510712,-0.0069312,0.0079284,-0.007833,-0.0042411,0.0015247,0.0017167,-0.0003695,-0.0020322,-0.0103902,0.0126859,0.007079,0.0136394,-0.0015664,-0.0019957
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:Anatolia_MLBAMA2200,0.099026,0.153345,-0.049026,-0.076874,-0.003077,-0.02761,-0.00094,-0.002538,-0.011044,0.021139,0.009094,0.009741,-0.012933,-0.000688,-0.013572,-0.012596,0.008214,-0.001267,0.004902,-0.003126,-0.000873,0.002102,-0.001602,-0.00012,-0.008622
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:Anatolia_MLBAMA2203,0.093335,0.148267,-0.027907,-0.069122,0.005847,-0.0251,-0.010575,-0.007384,-0.004704,0.03426,0.009906,0.004346,-0.012042,-0.000413,-0.012758,0.009016,0.009388,-0.001394,0.012444,-0.015883,-0.007861,0.010263,-0.00493,0.006266,-0.002634
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:Minoan_Lasithi,0.1192866,0.170609,-0.0181772,-0.093993,0.0295438,-0.0398256,-0.001316,-0.0034614,0.0103488,0.0598102,0.0029878,0.0153164,-0.0251238,-5.48e-05,-0.0374586,-0.0109518,0.0173934,-0.0012414,0.0088742,-0.0136316,-0.0133764,0.0083836,-0.0050776,-0.0010604,-0.0024428
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:MycenaeanI9006,0.119514,0.160454,-0.006788,-0.068476,0.014464,-0.03514,-0.003055,-0.006923,-0.002863,0.050115,0.004384,0.015137,-0.009366,0.00289,-0.019815,-0.005304,0.024643,0.007601,0.020992,-0.000375,-0.007487,-0.012365,-0.010969,-0.000602,-0.001796
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:MycenaeanI9010,0.110408,0.160454,-0.015462,-0.071383,0.029544,-0.038487,-0.003525,0.004154,0.013499,0.056129,0.018025,0.017235,-0.00223,-0.00234,-0.023208,-0.005038,0.031553,0.003421,0.005908,-0.004002,-0.006613,0.003215,-0.016145,-0.007109,-0.003113
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:MycenaeanI9033,0.091058,0.150298,-0.004148,-0.050388,0.022773,-0.013387,0.007285,-0.006692,0.003068,0.041003,-0.003573,0.019333,-0.020218,0.005505,-0.006515,-0.026518,0.00678,-0.003167,0.012193,-0.008629,-0.002995,-0.006306,-0.000616,0.005904,0.006945
    Pre-Slavic_Greek_World:MycenaeanI9041,0.110408,0.15436,-0.006034,-0.068476,0.020004,-0.021475,-0.00282,0.000923,0.007976,0.042097,0.003248,0.016036,-0.019326,-0.008533,-0.016015,-0.002387,0.021122,0.006588,0.010182,-0.002876,-0.006364,0.016199,0.001356,0.006386,-0.00491
    Have fun and pray that you are not a complete "barbarian".
    Could you run my coordinates by chance? I can never seem to get this to work. Thank you in advance.

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    Dibran_scaled,0.127482,0.150298,0.020365,-0.02584,0.028621,-0.007251,0.00611,0.002769,-0.002863,0.022233,0.001624,0.007343,-0.011596,0.003165,-0.02158,0.006895,0.030379,-0.00266,0.006159,-0.007379,-0.010606,0.000124,0.000986,0.000964,-0.002036

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    Dibran,0.0112,0.0148,0.0054,-0.008,0.0093,-0.0026,0.0026,0.0012,-0.0014,0.0122,0.001,0.0049,-0.0078,0.0023,-0.0159,0.0052,0.0233,-0.0021,0.0049,-0.0059,-0.0085,0.0001,0.0008,0.0008,-0.0017

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    Quote Originally Posted by michal3141 View Post
    Sure, your results:

    [1] "distance%=3.7091"

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    You are identical to me, but I am not a typical Croatian.
     
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    Caspias:

    "distance%=3.5603"


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    Pre-Slavic_Thracian_World,12.4
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