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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamash View Post
    I contacted Yfull and asked if they could include the Sidonian FGC11 ancient DNA sample into their J1 tree. Their response was that there are no Bam files available. Could someone convert the Cram files into Bam? I can't do it. The raw Cram-files are here: https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/data/view/ERS1790733
    The BAMs from the study can be found here:

    ftp://ngs.sanger.ac.uk/scratch/project/team19/Sidon_BA/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamash View Post
    And what do you personally think of Himyaritic? Is it a southern variety of Sabaic (Nebes and Stein think so), a non-classified (Central-) Semitic language or something else?
    Honestly, a fair case can be made in favour of its classification as a late dialect of Sabaic and indeed I'd argue this is likely to be true. Otherwise, it could be another OSA language separate from Sabaic (which is more tenuous) or even an archaic West Semitic language related either to Ethiosemitic or MSA. It's hard to tell, the dearth of Himyaritic texts precludes a straightforward answer.
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AbdoNumen View Post
    The BAMs from the study can be found here:

    ftp://ngs.sanger.ac.uk/scratch/project/team19/Sidon_BA/
    Thanks for the link! Let's wait and see what Yfull can do with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shamash View Post
    Thanks for the link! Let's wait and see what Yfull can do with it.
    Did Yfull indicate they would add it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbdoNumen View Post
    Did Yfull indicate they would add it?
    No unfortunately they won't. They say the quality of the sample is too bad.

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    Well, that's underwhelming... The waiting game continues.
    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Well, that's underwhelming... The waiting game continues.
    Indeed. I wonder what Yfull's criteria are for adding aDNA samples.

    On a brighter note, I do believe Arabian aDNA is in the pipeline. Not sure if it was mentioned on the forum or not, but I recall David Reich say on a podcast a few months ago that he's excited about 'building an atlas of humanity from skeletons from around the world like Arabia'. We'll then be able to see if and which J1 clades were present in ancient Arabia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbdoNumen View Post
    Indeed. I wonder what Yfull's criteria are for adding aDNA samples.

    On a brighter note, I do believe Arabian aDNA is in the pipeline. Not sure if it was mentioned on the forum or not, but I recall David Reich say on a podcast a few months ago that he's excited about 'building an atlas of humanity from skeletons from around the world like Arabia'. We'll then be able to see if and which J1 clades were present in ancient Arabia.
    Noticed the latest paper on aDNA extraction methods mentions an attempt to extract DNA from two 11-10 century BCE samples from Yemen. Unfortunately, extraction using the ossicles failed, but that means there are attempts to analyze Bronze/Iron Age Arabian samples!

    Yemen aDNA.PNG

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...54749.full.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbdoNumen View Post
    Noticed the latest paper on aDNA extraction methods mentions an attempt to extract DNA from two 11-10 century BCE samples from Yemen. Unfortunately, extraction using the ossicles failed, but that means there are attempts to analyze Bronze/Iron Age Arabian samples!

    Yemen aDNA.PNG

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...54749.full.pdf
    What a pity!

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