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    DF27 Big Y tracking and results

    I've ordered the Big Y for kit f121153.

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    I have a list of 17 of our DF27 haplogroup project members who have ordered Big Y. There may be a few other orders from guys who don't know (yet) that they are DF27. We shall see. I don't know the protocol for posting a list of them; seems to me there are privacy issues when the name is associated with the kit number, because then anybody can Google the number and pretty much find you. OK if you released that info yourself; not so good if I make the decision for you.

    Anyway we have 17 reported so far, and they are well distributed among the subclades of DF27. We should be learning a lot when all these kits are through the mill.

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    DF27 Big Y tracking and results

    Please report in on DF27 people who are ordering Big Y. The project now knows about it via a broadcast email. I'll mark it in the R1b-P312xL21 spreadsheet in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    I have a list of 17 of our DF27 haplogroup project members who have ordered Big Y. There may be a few other orders from guys who don't know (yet) that they are DF27. We shall see. I don't know the protocol for posting a list of them; seems to me there are privacy issues when the name is associated with the kit number....
    Most people post the MDKA name and kit # which are public on the project screens. I would think that as long as the contact name and contact information type stuff isn't divulged we are okay. All I know that project administrators have been posting these kinds of lists. I just saw where the U106 guy are talking about "1-0". They might be nearing 100 on their list tracking. I just posted the L21. It's got 87 folks. I saw where one of the I1 groups has about 40.

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    These are the DF27 project kits that I know of, that have Big Y tests ordered. The SNP shown at right is one for which they have already tested positive. I'm a little unclear on the concept of asterisks, especially after DF27 itself. Where I used one, they are at least negative/ancestral for some of the main testable options. New SNPs and tests are coming online pretty frequently this year, so I'm not sure anybody is entirely up-to-date. And if they are now, they won't be after these Big Y results come in:

    26020 Howland L881
    46281 McDonald L165
    290717 Burness DF17
    59497 Kennedy DF27*
    234361 Campbell DF27*
    95673 "Nick" Z225
    28321 Pitts Z278
    81973 Winter Z220
    92933 Wilson DF27
    N113329 Marimon CTS4299
    307013 Smith M269 (member of DF27 project)
    139250 Gilliland SRY2627
    E11427 Canovas Z220
    B2323 Gebault Z210
    N34129 Boaz DF27
    121153 Wilkinson L86.2
    15364 Miller DF27*

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    26020 Howland L881
    46281 McDonald L165
    290717 Burness DF17
    59497 Kennedy DF27*
    234361 Campbell DF27*
    95673 "Nick" Z225
    28321 Pitts Z278
    81973 Winter Z220
    92933 Wilson DF27
    N113329 Marimon CTS4299
    307013 Smith M269 (member of DF27 project)
    139250 Gilliland SRY2627
    E11427 Canovas Z220
    B2323 Gebault Z210
    N34129 Boaz DF27
    121153 Wilkinson L86.2
    15364 Miller DF27*
    Add:
    59598 Gillespie DF27*

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    I've ordered the Big Y test, kit #22555, although I'm sure it will show anything new. I had already tested positive for L147.3, downstream from L176.2, so I guess we'll see how far down this will go. The upload from Geno2 did not add anything. If anyone has any thoughts on this, I would appreciate reading them. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark D View Post
    I've ordered the Big Y test, kit #22555, although I'm sure it will show anything new. I had already tested positive for L147.3, downstream from L176.2, so I guess we'll see how far down this will go. The upload from Geno2 did not add anything. If anyone has any thoughts on this, I would appreciate reading them. Thanks.
    There is a good chance it will. L176.2 is fairly old so there are plenty of generations for SNPs to occur. Big Y is a bit different than Geno 2. Geno 2 only covered a specific subset of known (already discovered) SNPs. Big Y is a true discovery type of offering.

    Mark, you must be N22555, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    These are the DF27 project kits that I know of, that have Big Y tests ordered. ....
    Thanks, Dick. I recorded a column for this in my P312xL21 spreadsheet so we can pull it as needed. I also turned on the "new orders" notice for project administrators so I caught up on the most recent orders (in DF27 project only).

    I count 20. I also counted Geno 2 completed results and see we have 92 of those.

    fN34129 Boaz R1b-P312>DF27 d- uas
    f234361 Campbell R1b-P312>DF27* d- uas
    f15364 Miller R1b-P312>DF27* d- uas
    f92933 Wilson R1b-P312>DF27 d-1017-Rox2-A
    f59598 Gillespie R1b-P312>DF27* d-2023
    f95673 Austin R1b-P312>DF27>Z225+ d225-229-9910
    f59497 Kennedy R1b-P312>DF27** d-2521
    f121153 Wilkinson R1b-P312>DF27>L86.2+ d-2521-862
    f26020 Howland R1b-P312>DF27>L881+ d881-53711-2026
    f290717 Burness R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>DF17+ dz17-1518
    fN22555 Deutsch R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>L176.2 dz176-147
    f46281 McDonald R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>L176.2>L165+ dz176-165-1220
    fN113329 Marimon R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>L176.2>Z262>SRY2627>CTS8299>Z207>CT S4299+ dz176-262-SRY-10-742 -uas
    f139250 Gilliland R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>L176.2>Z262>SRY2627 dz176-262-SRY-13-A
    f307013 Smith zzP312suspect dz176-262-SRY-13-A
    fN2876 Garcia R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>Z209>Z220 dz209-220- uas
    f81973 Winter R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>Z209>Z220* dz209-220- uas
    f28321 Pitts R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>Z209>Z220>Z216>Z278** dz209-220-216-8-A
    fB2323 Gibault R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>Z209>Z220** dz209-220-C
    fE11427 Canovas-Champagne, b. Longjueau, France (Spain?) R1b-P312>DF27>Z196>Z209>Z220** dz209-220-H
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikewww View Post
    Thanks, Dick. I recorded a column for this in my P312xL21 spreadsheet so we can pull it as needed...

    I count 20.
    This morning, add N113694 Pages SRY2627, CTS4299

    And this afternoon, add 213936 Andrews Z198 (L176.2)

    And tonight, add 110924 Clark Z225/Z229, F3867. There are wildly different interpretations of where these SNPs fit in the R1b phylogeny, depending on what chart one looks at. Chris Morley shows this kit as the only F3867 (annotated R for Repetitive marker) and places that under DF27; but has Z225/9 at the level of L11 (not under DF27, or even P312). The ISOGG tree has F3867.2 (whoever that may be) "under investigation" since March 20; Z225/9 are not on their tree. Mike's descendancy chart shows Z225 under DF27, where most of us have thought it belonged for the past two years.
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