Thread: Iron Age Inspired G25 Calculators

1. pen=0

World

[1] "distance%=0.8852"

Europe,95
Med,3.8
Turkic,1.2

Europe

[1] "distance%=0.8852"

WEurope,51.6
NEurope,34.6
NWEurope,8.8
WMed,3.8
Turkic,1.2

pen=0.001

World

[1] "distance%=0.9181"

Europe,97.6
Med,2.4

Europe

[1] "distance%=0.9119"

WEurope,61.6
NEurope,27.6
NWEurope,7.2
WMed,2.8
SAtlantic,0.8

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3. Originally Posted by Mykhailo
2 more calculators, looks good Randwulf

You can run my result is possible?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Mykhailo_scaled,0.12862,0.125926,0.06939,0.056202, 0.037545,0.019801,0.00658,0.011076,-0.000205,-0.017859,-0.004872,-0.007943,0.017988,0.017891,-0.013843,0.01127,0.02373,-0.000887,-0.001508,0.009379,-0.006364,-0.002102,0.005423,0.000361,0.000718

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Mykhailo,0.0113,0.0124,0.0184,0.0174,0.0122,0.0071 ,0.0028,0.0048,-0.0001,-0.0098,-0.003,-0.0053,0.0121,0.013,-0.0102,0.0085,0.0182,-0.0007,-0.0012,0.0075,-0.0051,-0.0017,0.0044,0.0003,0.0006
pen=0

[1] "distance%=1.1287"

Europe,75.2
Med,17.2
Caucasian,2.6
SWAsian,1.4
NAfrican,1
Polar,1
EAfrican,0.8
Amerindian,0.4
CentAsian,0.4

default penalty

[1] "distance%=1.5167"

Europe,82.2
Med,9.6
Caucasian,4
CentAsian,1.6
SWAsian,1.2
Amerindian,0.2
EAfrican,0.2
IndoAryan,0.2
NAfrican,0.2
Polar,0.2
TribalSouthIndian,0.2
Turkic,0.2

default penalty:

[1] "distance%=1.5455"

Baltic,35.4
NEurope,24.4
WEurope,20
WMed,6.6
Caucasian,5.6
SAtlantic,3
CentAsian,1.4
NWEurope,1.4
CentEurope,0.8
EMed,0.6
SWAsian,0.4
EAfrican,0.2
IndoAryan,0.2

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5. What are Western Europe, Northern Europe and NW Europe generally based on?

It looks like a good proxy for Celtic vs Germanic for me, Northern Europe being Germanic. I always estimate that I'm 1/4 to 1/3 Germanic.

6. Originally Posted by firemonkey
Can you do my father's and mine please?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Tim_G,0.0114,0.0129,0.0172,0.0146,0.0141,0.0069,0. 0011,0.0013,0.0034,-0.0003,-0.0016,0.0034,-0.007,-0.0081,0.0205,0.0048,-0.0163,0.0046,0.0015,0.0014,0.0035,0.0015,-0.0018,0.0071,-0.0026

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Tim_G_father,0.0121,0.0137,0.016,0.0122,0.0143,0.0 062,0.0022,0.005,0.0038,-0.0007,-0.0018,0.0031,-0.0068,-0.0029,0.022,0.0013,-0.0162,0.0043,0.002,0.0056,0.0074,0.0031,-0.0033,0.0065,-0.0014
firemonkey:

pen=0

[1] "distance%=0.642"

Europe,95.8
SEAsian,2
SWAsian,1.4
EAfrican,0.4
Med,0.4

default penalty:

[1] "distance%=0.765"

Europe,97
Med,1.8
SEAsian,0.8
CentAsian,0.4

default penalty:

[1] "distance%=0.7705"

NEurope,55.4
WEurope,40.2
SAtlantic,1.4
WMed,1.4
NWEurope,0.6
CentAsian,0.4
EAfrican,0.2
Polar,0.2
SEAsian,0.2

firemonkey father:

pen=0

[1] "distance%=0.9523"

Europe,91.8
SWAsian,4
Med,1.6
SEAsian,1.6
Polar,1

default penalty:

[1] "distance%=1.0847"

Europe,91.8
Med,7.2
SEAsian,0.4
NAfrican,0.2
Polar,0.2
SWAsian,0.2

default penalty:

[1] "distance%=1.0899"

NEurope,55.2
WEurope,36.8
SAtlantic,4.8
WMed,1.4
Baltic,0.6
SEAsian,0.6
Caucasian,0.2
CentEurope,0.2
Polar,0.2

7. Originally Posted by Molfish
What are Western Europe, Northern Europe and NW Europe generally based on?

It looks like a good proxy for Celtic vs Germanic for me, Northern Europe being Germanic. I always estimate that I'm 1/4 to 1/3 Germanic.
They are just the natural clusters that formed from the first three PCA positions within the European references. I named them based on the general location of most of the references. They are from the Iron Age mostly. Western Europe were mostly South British to French/Central/South German, NW Europe were the most extreme NW locations (Rathlin, Sweden, etc.), and Northern Europe samples were generally north from west to east. Again, they just formed clusters in the K means option of Past3, so I named them the best that I could based on some diversity in the locations. I am not sure the concept of the Celtic/Germanic apply in this situation.

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9. Originally Posted by randwulf
firemonkey:

pen=0

[1] "distance%=0.642"

Europe,95.8
SEAsian,2
SWAsian,1.4
EAfrican,0.4
Med,0.4

default penalty:

[1] "distance%=0.765"

Europe,97
Med,1.8
SEAsian,0.8
CentAsian,0.4

default penalty:

[1] "distance%=0.7705"

NEurope,55.4
WEurope,40.2
SAtlantic,1.4
WMed,1.4
NWEurope,0.6
CentAsian,0.4
EAfrican,0.2
Polar,0.2
SEAsian,0.2

firemonkey father:

pen=0

[1] "distance%=0.9523"

Europe,91.8
SWAsian,4
Med,1.6
SEAsian,1.6
Polar,1

default penalty:

[1] "distance%=1.0847"

Europe,91.8
Med,7.2
SEAsian,0.4
NAfrican,0.2
Polar,0.2
SWAsian,0.2

default penalty:

[1] "distance%=1.0899"

NEurope,55.2
WEurope,36.8
SAtlantic,4.8
WMed,1.4
Baltic,0.6
SEAsian,0.6
Caucasian,0.2
CentEurope,0.2
Polar,0.2
Is pen=0 more realistic than default penalty?

10. World:

[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.782"

PV

Europe,87.8
Med,10.6
CentAsian,0.6
Polar,0.4
Saami,0.2
SEAsian,0.2
SWAsian,0.2

[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.5023"

PV

Europe,80.6
Med,16
SSA,2
SEAsian,1.2
Turkic,0.2

Europe:

[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.7687"

PV

WEurope,42.2
NEurope,34.8
SAtlantic,6.2
Baltic,6
WMed,4.4
NWEurope,3.6
CentEurope,1.6
Turkic,0.4
IndoAryan,0.2
NIndian,0.2
SSA,0.2
SWAsian,0.2

[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.5023"

PV

NEurope,41.4
WEurope,22.4
WMed,16
Baltic,12.8
CentEurope,4
SSA,2
SEAsian,1.2
Turkic,0.2

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12. Originally Posted by bmoney
Is pen=0 more realistic than default penalty?
I think the default penalty works pretty well for most, but if you are mixed you may want to try pen=0. I am interested in seeing everyone's results.

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14. Mother's Euro default pen

[1] "distance%=0.8145"

WEurope,46.8
NWEurope,38.4
NEurope,8.4
WMed,2
CentEurope,1.4
Caucasian,0.8
EMed,0.8
SAtlantic,0.8
CentAsian,0.4
Baltic,0.2

Father's Euro default pen

[1] "distance%=1.1654"

WEurope,55.8
NEurope,24.2
NWEurope,14.2
SAtlantic,3.8
WMed,1.4
Baltic,0.4
Polar,0.2

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16. Low penalty

World

[1] "distance%=0.831"

Suresh_T

NorthIndian,73.8
IndoAryan,23.8
Med,1.4
NAfrican,0.6
Polar,0.2
SEAsian,0.2

Euro
[1] "distance%=0.8309"

Suresh_T

NIndian,73.4
IndoAryan,24
SAtlantic,1.4
NAfrican,0.6
TribalIndian,0.4
Polar,0.2

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