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Thread: Current R-L151 Figures from the FTDNA database

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    Current R-L151 Figures from the FTDNA database

    L151
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    P312 33,349
    >R-Z290 19,213
    >>L21 19,206
    >>BY22760 5

    >DF27 5,827

    >U152 5,408

    >DF19 731

    >L238 178

    >DF99 156

    >>ZZ37_1 92

    >Y18211 11

    >A9063 7

    >BY25512 2
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    U106 12,303
    ------------------------
    S1194 403

    EDIT: Posted this in the wrong section of R. Oh well.
    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 11-25-2018 at 11:23 PM.
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    Current population figures are full of pitfalls in attempting to extrapolate ancient history, but I find the following of interest

    Of these 4 smaller haplogroups...S1194 and the three P312 haplogroups (DF19, L238, DF99); at least 1 sample of each these four branches is found in these countries (excluding UK and Ireland):

    Austria
    Denmark
    Germany
    Italy
    Poland

    Ancient dna will eventually provide an answer, but this could be a hint that early branches of L151 had rapid growth from an area somewhere between the Alps and the Baltic. I know for some of you, this is a "no duh" statement and for others it might be controversial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    L151
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    P312 33,349
    >R-Z290 19,213
    >>L21 19,206
    >>BY22760 5

    >DF27 5,827

    >U152 5,408

    >DF19 731

    >L238 178

    >DF99 156

    >>ZZ37_1 92

    >Y18211 11

    >A9063 7

    >BY25512 2
    ------------------------
    U106 12,303
    ------------------------
    S1194 403

    EDIT: Posted this in the wrong section R. Oh well.
    Where do you get these? Do you have to be an admin?

    Based on project members only, since that's all I know how to check:

    L21 -- 7159 (included for comparison)
    DF63 -- 233 (I'd be interested in total numbers for this group)

    I did a breakdown of DF63 that I'll put in that thread.

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    Last edited by MitchellSince1893; 11-25-2018 at 11:30 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by msmarjoribanks View Post
    Where do you get these? Do you have to be an admin?

    Based on project members only, since that's all I know how to check:

    L21 -- 7159 (included for comparison)
    DF63 -- 233 (I'd be interested in total numbers for this group)

    I did a breakdown of DF63 that I'll put in that thread.
    No need to be an FTDNA admin... available to general public. Discussed here

    https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post520299
    1. Go to the top of the tree and click on "A".
    2. Then click on 3 dots to the right of the top line "A-PR292"
    3. Select "Country Report"

    This will show you the total number of kits, currently 162,525, and the total for each country
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    Thank you! I had no idea you could see all that, very helpful.

    To add R-DF63, 322 total participants. I'll put the updated country information in the DF63 thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Current population figures are full of pitfalls in attempting to extrapolate ancient history, but I find the following of interest

    Of these 4 smaller haplogroups...S1194 and the three P312 haplogroups (DF19, L238, DF99); at least 1 sample of each these four branches is found in these countries (excluding UK and Ireland):

    Austria
    Denmark
    Germany
    Italy
    Poland
    I am not ware of a DF19 with ancestry from Denmark. However while I don't know about S1194, there are multiple examples of DF19, L238 and DF99 from Sweden.

    [/QUOTE] Ancient dna will eventually provide an answer, but this could be a hint that early branches of L151 had rapid growth from an area somewhere between the Alps and the Baltic. I know for some of you, this is a "no duh" statement and for others it might be controversial.[/QUOTE]

    I have suspected a similar scenario for some time. I believe it is unclear whether some spread to the north only after arriving at the Alps, or they divided into different directions before arriving in the Alpine region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MitchellSince1893 View Post
    Current population figures are full of pitfalls in attempting to extrapolate ancient history, but I find the following of interest

    Of these 4 smaller haplogroups...S1194 and the three P312 haplogroups (DF19, L238, DF99); at least 1 sample of each these four branches is found in these countries (excluding UK and Ireland):

    Austria
    Denmark
    Germany
    Italy
    Poland

    Ancient dna will eventually provide an answer, but this could be a hint that early branches of L151 had rapid growth from an area somewhere between the Alps and the Baltic. I know for some of you, this is a "no duh" statement and for others it might be controversial.
    You were right to begin that post with the caveat you did.

    I cringe when I see anyone using modern distribution to infer haplogroup origin, expansion points, history, etc. It really can't be done, and so much baloney has come from trying it over the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    I am not ware of a DF19 with ancestry from Denmark. However while I don't know about S1194, there are multiple examples of DF19, L238 and DF99 from Sweden.

    Ancient dna will eventually provide an answer, but this could be a hint that early branches of L151 had rapid growth from an area somewhere between the Alps and the Baltic. I know for some of you, this is a "no duh" statement and for others it might be controversial.
    I have suspected a similar scenario for some time. I believe it is unclear whether some spread to the north only after arriving at the Alps, or they divided into different directions before arriving in the Alpine region.
    FTDNA database shows 1 DF19 from Denmark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenHind View Post
    I am not ware of a DF19 with ancestry from Denmark. However while I don't know about S1194, there are multiple examples of DF19, L238 and DF99 from Sweden.
    .
    So far there is one that I know of. You can see him on the Big Tree:

    http://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=183

    There are 5 Swedes and 3 Norwegians who have done Big Y in the DF19 group, but except for one DF88* from Norway, they are not on Alex's tree; so the Dane is punching above his statistical weight.

    Also I think that 731 DF19s in the above has to be a typo. Maybe 371? I wish there were that many of us reporting...
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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