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    Quote Originally Posted by michal3141 View Post
    How would you approach trying to find a set of populations (as basic ones as possible: EHG, CHG, WHG, Levant_N, Iran_N, Barcin_N etc.) to minimize the distance?

    I am not completely happy with the results below:

    [1] "distance%=6.4918"

    michal3141

    EHG,44.8
    Barcin_N,38.2
    WHG,7.4
    CHG,5.8
    Levant_N,3.8

    What population/s am I missing?
    That method always leaves much to be desired, for me anyway.

    I can get my distance quite low using it, but being Eastern European you may inflate your EHG without the use of Northeastern European hunter gatherers. I've got a pretty good spreadsheet I have been using for ancient fits and I always include Narva Lithuania. If the fit is still bad, just add in Yamnaya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by michal3141 View Post
    In your spreadsheet which populations were used for Anatolia_N, Iran_N, East Asian?

    I guess SSA = Yoruba, AASI = Onge. Is this correct?

    If we use Yamnaya_Samara to replace both EHG and CHG my distance gets a bit lower but not much:

    [1] "distance%=6.0342"

    michal3141

    Yamnaya_Samara,53.6
    Barcin_N,24.2
    WHG,16.2
    Levant_N,6

    For some reason introducing Baltic_BA instead of Yamnaya_Samara helps a lot:

    [1] "distance%=3.8731"

    michal3141

    Baltic_BA,74.4
    Barcin_N,11.4
    Levant_N,7.4
    Ganj_Dareh_N,4.8
    Han,1
    Paniya,1
    Yes, I mean I can get it low enough for most people there, but I was trying to use "base" components, which are older than the steppe migrations.
    I was also reluctant in adding an Anatolia Neolithic component, but I did it after the release of this paper: http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2018/0...mers-were.html
    Prior to that, I just had considered Levant_N as a "pure" (no WHG) proxy for Anatolia_N.



    Regarding the populations, I'm using Barcin Neolithic for Anatolia_N, Ganji Dareh for Iran_N and Han_N China (but I think I replaced it with Mongola for the Turkics, as the distance with Han was ridiculous).
    You are right about the others.
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    "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Beaker_Iberia Armenia_ChL Baltic_BA Anc_Saami Levant_N
    9.449506 11.396843 13.910164 22.222077 23.011851
    Iran_N South_Asia East_Asia
    30.260101 43.660169 60.647067

    "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
    "penalty= 0"

    "distance%=3.1162"



    Baltic_BA,37.2
    Armenia_ChL,30.8
    Beaker_Iberia,21.2
    Levant_N,10.2
    East_Asia,0.6

    "2. FULL TABLE nMONTE"
    "penalty= 0.001"

    "distance%=3.4068"



    Beaker_Iberia,33.2
    Baltic_BA,30.2
    Armenia_ChL,26.4
    Levant_N,8.2
    Iran_N,1.6
    Anc_Saami,0.2
    East_Asia,0.2

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    pen=0.001

    distance%=4.8317

    Ais_scaled

    Beaker_Iberia,55
    Baltic_BA,26
    Armenia_ChL,12.4
    Anc_Saami,5.8
    Iran_N,0.8

    pen=0

    distance%=4.8179

    Ais_scaled

    Beaker_Iberia,55.6
    Baltic_BA,25.2
    Armenia_ChL,10.4
    Anc_Saami,6.6
    Iran_N,2.2

    Not much difference with pen=0, except some of my Armenia_ChL goes to Iran_N.
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