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    The darkest period of the Dark Ages; Nordic migration push!?

    Researcher state that due to a vulcano eruption on Iceland the year 536 this 'was the worst period to be alive'. A devastating dust veil lowered the temparature by 1,5 a 2 degrees in summer, there was snow in Chinese summer at that time!

    Of course this had the most devastating effect on Scandinavia:

    Archaeological evidence described by Gräslund and Price shows that Scandinavia might have experienced the worst troubles. Almost 75% of villages were abandoned in parts of Sweden, and areas of southern Norway show a decrease in formal burials—indicating that haste was required in interments—up to 90-95%.
    Scandinavian narratives recount possible events that might be referring to 536. Snorri Sturluson's Edda includes a reference to Fimbulwinter, the "great" or "mighty" winter that served as a forewarning of Ragnarök, the destruction of the world and all of its inhabitants.
    "First of all that a winter will come called Fimbulwinter. Then snow will drift from all directions. There will then be great frosts and keen winds. The sun will do no good. There will be three of these winters together and no summer between."
    Gräslund and Price speculate that the social unrest and sharp agrarian decline and demographic disaster in Scandinavia may have been a primary catalyst for the Viking diaspora—when in the 9th century AD, young men left Scandinavia in droves and sought to conquer new worlds.
    Exactly in this period it's known that there was an influx of Nordics on coastal, North Germany, Northern Netherlands and parts of England! Was the dust veil the key trigger for migration to other parts of NW Europe!?


    (See for example Thorsten Capelle: Die Sachsen des frühen Mittelalters. Wissenschaftliche Buchgesellschaft, (Darmstadt 1998) and Johan Nicolay 'Odin in Friesland')

    Sources:
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...-year-be-alive
    https://www.thoughtco.com/dust-veil-...-europe-171628
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    I don't know, 536 is still over two centuries before Vikings (I much prefer the term Scandinavians) started expanding all over the place
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    Sort of strange that they are linking this to Vikings, this would be more fitting for Migration Era Germanic movements out of Scandinavia, no?

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    It's decades after the first waves of settlement into England. Very interesting though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    I don't know, 536 is still over two centuries before Vikings (I much prefer the term Scandinavians) started expanding all over the place
    Yep correct sharp, it was during the big migration time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    It's decades after the first waves of settlement into England. Very interesting though.
    Yes the first were the Saxon (Chauci), this is the second wave consisting of Jutes and Norwegians!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Yep correct sharp, it was during the big migration time!
    Maybe it had a higher impact on early Slavs and their migrations into east-central and southeast Europe? Just an idea, obviously I have no grounds to support it but the time period
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonikW View Post
    It's decades after the first waves of settlement into England. Very interesting though.
    ok in Dutch but see the map on page 79:

    https://www.academia.edu/9823346/Nie...-zevende_eeuw_

    Thorsten Capelle (1998) mentions an influx of Nordics in NW Germany during the sixth century, he speaks of regrouping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruderico View Post
    Maybe it had a higher impact on early Slavs and their migrations into east-central and southeast Europe? Just an idea, obviously I have no grounds to support it but the time period
    I guess the impact in Scandinavia was bigger, the agricultural frontier dropped down to the South (how far???) in that area. So move or starve.....

    But an effect on the early Slavs can of course not be ruled out (with snow even in China during summer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    ok in Dutch but see the map on page 79:

    https://www.academia.edu/9823346/Nie...-zevende_eeuw_

    Thorsten Capelle (1998) mentions an influx of Nordics in NW Germany during the sixth century, he speaks of regrouping.
    Thanks Finn. I've seen similar maps before, including useful ones that you've posted. It would be great to understand what role people from northern Scandinavia had in the AS movements. It's surely time to do some serious aDNA work on the period with additional isotope analysis. The Cambridgeshire AS aDNA study that's in the works should be a good start.
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