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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    The claim that Lebanese are AUTOSOMALLY closer to Saudis or Yemenites (ie - Arabs) than, say, Lebanese are to either Western Jews or East Mediterraneans in general, is not so solid.

    Check out both Global25 AND Lukasz' K36 PCAs showing that Lebanese and Druze actually plot slightly closer to East Mediterranean populations (Aegean Greeks like Cypriots and especially Western Jews) than to Saudis or Yemenis:

    Global25:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Crh...cleD3U3xD/view

    K36:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jhi...OxHiqUalc/view

    I think the fact that they both seem to belong to same linguistic, cultural and religious sphere makes many of us to assume that Lebanese are closer to a Yemenite Arab than to, say, a Cypriot or a Dodecanese Greek (or to Sephardi Jews).
    They look intermediate between Sicilians/Maltese/Cretans/Jews and Yemenis.

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    I actually think Ahed Tamimi and the blonde Syrian girl look very Jewish and at least substantially Levantine. Again, I'm focusing on facial features, not color. Ahed Tamimi look almost identical to many blonde Ashkenazi Jews I know who have distinctly Jewish looks.

    (I do have a background in visual arts and specifically portraiture, so I probably notice these things more than the average person.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    They look intermediate between Sicilians/Maltese/Cretans/Jews and Yemenis.
    Shh, don't tell Nassim Taleb.

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    Shh, don't tell Nassim Taleb.
    100% south European.

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    What about the argument that Palestinians are Ishmaelites? (according to Christian Zionism) They say that God gave the Land of Israel to the descendants of Isaac and Jacob, not the descendants of Hagar and Ishmael. But where is the proof that Palestinians are Ishmaelites? Because I for one don't believe it. I even once read an online article on an American Christian website written by a Palestinian Christian saying he was confused about his identity and his Christian beliefs, because white American Evangelical Christians had obviously convinced him he was a descendant of Biblical Ishmaelites. Oh, the shame. Yes, this is exactly why Isaac is a common Palestinian Christian surname and not Ishmael. Right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    I mean sure most likely a tall blonde blue eyed pale person with a long head and a small nose would have North European origins, while a dark skinned person with curly hair and African facial features would most likely be of Sub Saharan origin (mainly), but to tell the difference between one Mediterranean person to another? that's almost bound to fail.
    I know I'm late to all this, but I always thought North Europeans have large, long, magnificent noses, almost the same length as inner peninsular Arabs.

    a small north euro nose is just propaganda. haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erikl86 View Post
    The claim that Lebanese are AUTOSOMALLY closer to Saudis or Yemenites (ie - Arabs) than, say, Lebanese are to either Western Jews or East Mediterraneans in general, is not so solid.

    Check out both Global25 AND Lukasz' K36 PCAs showing that Lebanese and Druze actually plot slightly closer to East Mediterranean populations (Aegean Greeks like Cypriots and especially Western Jews) than to Saudis or Yemenis:

    Global25:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Crh...cleD3U3xD/view

    K36:
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Jhi...OxHiqUalc/view

    I think the fact that they both seem to belong to same linguistic, cultural and religious sphere makes many of us to assume that Lebanese are closer to a Yemenite Arab than to, say, a Cypriot or a Dodecanese Greek (or to Sephardi Jews).
    Saudis and Highland Yemenis are far from everyone, they are alone genetically, in their own corner.

    even their father was lonely: his hand shall be against every man, and every man’s hand against him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FaerieQueene View Post
    What about the argument that Palestinians are Ishmaelites? (according to Christian Zionism) They say that God gave the Land of Israel to the descendants of Isaac and Jacob, not the descendants of Hagar and Ishmael. But where is the proof that Palestinians are Ishmaelites? Because I for one don't believe it. I even once read an online article on an American Christian website written by a Palestinian Christian saying he was confused about his identity and his Christian beliefs, because white American Evangelical Christians had obviously convinced him he was a descendant of Biblical Ishmaelites. Oh, the shame. Yes, this is exactly why Isaac is a common Palestinian Christian surname and not Ishmael. Right.
    Hey FaeryQueen. Um, not sure if you still remember me but I'm Moody900 from TheApricity(I'm using Nabatea's account to post here). I'm a Palestinian Muslim guy from the Galilee living in the UAE. Well, anywayz, here's my G25 coordinates:

    PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12 ,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22 ,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Moody_scaled,0.067156,0.132019,-0.05242,-0.068153,-0.011694,-0.023427,-0.00094,-0.008538,0.004295,0.004738,-0.000974,-0.005845,0.013528,-0.003028,0.00095,0.002519,-0.002347,-0.004054,-0.003645,-0.002001,0.004866,-0.000124,0.004807,0.00012,-0.001197

    PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12 ,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22 ,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Moody,0.0059,0.013,-0.0139,-0.0211,-0.0038,-0.0084,-0.0004,-0.0037,0.0021,0.0026,-0.0006,-0.0039,0.0091,-0.0022,0.0007,0.0019,-0.0018,-0.0032,-0.0029,-0.0016,0.0039,-0.0001,0.0039,0.0001,-0.001

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    Caucasian: 21.67
    Med: 6.67
    IndoAyran: 5.83
    NAfrican: 3.33
    Europe: 2.5
    SSA: 0.83
    EAfrica: 0.83.

    Target: Moody
    Distance: 2.8136% / 0.02813564
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    14.8 Caucasus_HG
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    0.8 Eastern_HG
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    And my mtDNA is U3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    In the case of Ashkenazim I can think of some who look like full fledged North Italians. This is an example... he looks like a typical person from northern Italy with zero Levantine.

    [img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e6/a5/ac/e6a5acf916fce7af694d264dbd2282da.jpg[/mg]


    Then on the other end of the spectrum are the people who look like this:

    [img]https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Screen-Shot-2018-07-04-at-3.46.02-PM.png?w=780[/mg]
    The spectrum is much wider, even with my own family. I had ancestors who looked central European and Gulf Arab, while being 3rd cousins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonahst View Post
    I actually think Ahed Tamimi and the blonde Syrian girl look very Jewish and at least substantially Levantine. Again, I'm focusing on facial features, not color. Ahed Tamimi look almost identical to many blonde Ashkenazi Jews I know who have distinctly Jewish looks.

    (I do have a background in visual arts and specifically portraiture, so I probably notice these things more than the average person.)
    I agree about the Syrian girl, but Tamimi looks like a blond Arab.
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