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Thread: Who are the Palestinian Arabs, and how "indigenous" are they to Israel/Palestine?

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    I do not know why people are trying to link Christians and Moslems in a period of time when neither existed......actually more than a 1000 years is the separation......clearly we should only be looking at tribal affiliations and or ethnicity


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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Very unlikely, to say the least. The Edomites originated in the Aravah where the kingdom of Edom was located, they migrated northwards and filled the vacuum left by the Babylonian exile by settling in Southern Judea around Hebron (which subsequently came to be known as Idumea):



    The Idumeans were forcibly converted to Judaism by the Hasmonean kings. The Edomite ancestry present in Palestinian Arabs today, most of whom are of rural or urban background, is going to be from converts to Judaism (and that source also contributed to Western Jews).

    The few who managed to cling to their traditions were those who remained out of reach in the desert, and these are more likely to have contributed to the Bedouins' ancestry. The same can be said for the Moabites and probably even the Ammonites to a large extent, both of whom were heavily Arameanised by the Persian period and were eventually assimilated by early Arabs such as the Qedarites and the Nabateans.

    The sad truth is that whatever Canaanite ancestry Palestinian Arabs have is in a vast majority of cases derived from the region's Jewish and Samaritan inhabitants, the few exceptions being coastal areas where a mixed Phoenician-Israelite population existed. What must be kept in mind is that, after the Samaritans, the Edomites, Moabites and Ammonites were the Jews' closest relatives. Despite the atrocious relations between them (familiarity breeds contempt, it's no coincidence if Jordan's national mythmaking attempts revolve around the Moabites), they were remarkably similar from a religious, cultural and linguistic standpoint and they were all keenly aware of this (I might talk about this in detail in another thread, as I've been reading on this matter as of late)... And that's the ultimate irony, really, even if they owe their Canaanite ancestry to non-Israelites (which is all but certain), in the end we are dealing with populations that were so close to the Jews that most of us here would have a hard time telling the difference to begin with.
    I think that is true about ancient dna

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    I do not know why people are trying to link Christians and Moslems in a period of time when neither existed......actually more than a 1000 years is the separation......clearly we should only be looking at tribal affiliations and or ethnicity
    Correct. I was thinking about the ancestors of the two groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hartaisarlag View Post
    Palestinian history books, not unlike Turkish ones trying to reconcile Turkishness with the obviously deep Anatolian character of contemporary Turkish people by claiming the Hittites were Central Asian Turks, seem to throw Canaaniteness and Arabness together in a blender, yielding the confused idea of al-kan'aniyun al-'arab.
    I was born and raised in Turkey, I have never seen an official (published by the Ministry of National Education) history book claiming the Hittites were Turks. There were such efforts in the past (1930s) though, many archaeological projects were commissioned with the purpose to prove their Turkishness. The Saka are still Turkic according to our history books, but that's another story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    I do not know why people are trying to link Christians and Moslems in a period of time when neither existed......actually more than a 1000 years is the separation......clearly we should only be looking at tribal affiliations and or ethnicity
    Well, I'm a Palestinian Arab and here are my results:

    "sample": "Test1:Moody",
    "fit": 1.0199,
    "LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_Roman": 28.33,
    "LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_MA_NE": 25,
    "LEVANTINE_Eng_Rom_Near_Eastern_o": 19.17,
    "ALANIC_RUS_Alan_MA": 8.33,
    "ANATOLIAN_Anatolia_IA": 5.83,
    "ARIAN_PAK_Swat_Butkara_IA": 2.5,
    "CANARIAN_Canary_Islands_Guanche": 2.5,
    "GRECO-ROMAN_Italy_Medieval_Collegno": 2.5,
    "IBERIAN_Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE": 0.83,
    "IBERIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE": 0.83,
    "KANGJU_KAZ_Kangju": 0.83,
    "SOUTHEAST-AFRICAN_KEN_Pastoral_N": 0.83,
    "TARTESSIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE": 0.83,
    "TARTESSIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE": 0.83,
    "VIKING-WEST_Sweden_Viking_Age_Sigtuna": 0.83,

    Closest populations:

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    "LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-2: 2.007884",
    "LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-7: 2.365861",
    "LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-12: 2.460874",
    "LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_MA_NE:SI-44: 2.730751",
    "LEVANTINE_Eng_Rom_Near_Eastern_o:3DT26: 2.838362",
    "LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_Roman:QED-4: 2.880469",
    "ANATOLIAN_Anatolia_IA:MA2198: 2.904978",
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    "GRECO-ROMAN_Italy_Medieval_Collegno_o1:CL38: 3.187256",
    "LEVANTINE_Levant_LBN_MA_NE:SI-38: 3.201812",
    "GRECO-ROMAN_Italy_Medieval_Collegno:CL121: 3.593230",
    "ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN_Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ32: 3.700041",
    "GRECO-ROMAN_Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ40: 3.806521",
    "GRECO-ROMAN_Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ43: 3.962373",
    "ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN_Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ37: 3.984156",
    "OTTOMAN_Anatolia_Ottoman:MA2196: 3.985373",
    "TARTESSIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3983: 4.143151",
    "GRECO-ROMAN_DEU_MA_o:STR_300: 4.213822",
    "ALANIC_RUS_Alan_MAA162: 4.324708",
    "ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN_Balkans_IA:I5769: 4.391253",
    "ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN_Scythian_Moldova:scy305: 4.468960",
    "ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN_Scythian_Moldova:scy197: 4.469318",
    "TARTESSIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3981: 4.521172",
    "TARTESSIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3581: 4.536441",
    "TARTESSIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12644: 4.627872",
    "IBERIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3585: 4.642715",
    "EGYPT_Egypt_Hellenistic:JK2888: 4.644965",
    "IBERIAN_Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10892: 4.693165",
    "IBERIAN_Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10895: 4.752294",
    "ILLYRIAN-THRACIAN__Germany_Medieval_ACD:NW_54: 4.867987",
    "TARTESSIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7457: 4.935524",
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    "TARTESSIAN_Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3582: 5.133790",
    "IBERIAN_Iberia_Northeast_c.8-12CE:I10852: 5.137675",
    "IBERIAN_Germany_Roman:FN_2: 5.169952",
    "OTTOMAN_Anatolia_Ottoman:MA2195: 5.236373",
    "CELTIBERIAN_Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I3777: 5.339831",
    "VISIGOTH_Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12162: 5.348327",
    "CELTIBERIAN_Iberia_Northeast_c.6-8CE_ES:I7673: 5.349121",
    "LONGOBARD_Hungary_Medieval_Szolad:SZ42: 5.587781",
    "GERMANIC_Germany_Medieval_ACD:STR_220: 5.693488",
    "VISIGOTH_Iberia_Northeast_c.6CE_PL:I12032: 5.698544",
    "AQUITANIAN_Levant_LBN_MA_Euro:SI-40: 5.701745",
    "SLAVIC_CZE_Early_Slav:RISE569: 5.728665",

    I'm pretty close to the ancient Canaanites from the Galilee region which includes Northern Israel and Southern Lebanon where my ancestry from.

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