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    Sorry - I am I-S337 (I1a2a1). Negative for S-1954.

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    Hello Phil. Do you still want these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melcombe View Post
    Hi. Excuse this being my first post - I have my BritainsDNA results and Im still struggling to understand the results. I am S-1954 (a subclade? of I-M253). I would very much like to narrow down its geographic distribution. All advice gratefully received!

    David
    Hi, Im S1954 and this is also my first post having just received my results and found the forum. I know nothing about my birth parents so any information would be fantastic. I was born on Canvey Island, Essex in 1962 and dont have much to go on. Have you been able to make contact with many other S1954 people as yet ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgo1963 View Post
    I'd like to pull together a list of I-M253 men who have taken the new Chromo2 test offered by BritainsDNA, ScotlandsDNA, etc. Two are acknowledged on Rootsweb. Let's hear from anyone else. Thanks,

    Phil Goff
    Hi Phill,

    I recently received my results from Scotland'sDNA. I am I-S1954 with H3 mtDNA and here are my Chromo results (I haven't a clue what they mean - please explain).

    CTS10613+, CTS11042+, CTS11150+, CTS11575+, CTS11991+, CTS12057+, CTS12633+, CTS12773+, CTS2254+, CTS2480+, CTS2524+, CTS2569+, CTS3315+, CTS3654+, CTS3818+, CTS4293+, CTS4740+, CTS5139(+), CTS5248+, CTS543+, CTS5650+, CTS6327+, CTS6376+, CTS6383+, CTS6445+, CTS674+, CTS7301+, CTS7593+, CTS7922+, CTS8876+, CTS9556+, CTS9760+, L1002+, L1013+, L1053+, L1084+, L1098+, L1105+, L1118+, L1123+, L1129+, L1130+, L1137+, L1143+, L1145+, L1150+, L1179+, L121+, L1220+, L123+, L125+, L132+, L157+, L352+, L438+, L440+, L468+, L470+, L498+, L508+, L543+, L574+, L604+, L75+, L80+, L81+, L882+, L969+, M213+, M235+, M258+, M294+, M299+, M307+, M429+, M42+, M523+, P123+, P126+, P127+, P129+, P130+, P135+, P139+, P140+, P141+, P142+, P143+, P151+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P163+, P212+, P305+, PAGE081+, PAGE123+, PF1030+, PF1067+, PF1081+, PF1252+, PF1253+, PF1416+, PF1695+, PF1911+, PF256+, PF2590+, PF2592+, PF2615+, PF2617+, PF2619+, PF2621+, PF2622+, PF2624+, PF2626+, PF2629+, PF2640+, PF2651+, PF2653+, PF2655+, PF2658+, PF2660+, PF2677+, PF2679+, PF2683+, PF2684+, PF2685+, PF2688+, PF2690+, PF2700+, PF2702+, PF2704+, PF2709+, PF2716+, PF2718+, PF2722+, PF2734+, PF2736+, PF2737+, PF2739+, PF2742+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2760+, PF2762+, PF2775+, PF3495+, PF3500+, PF3528+, PF3553+, PF3649+, PF3654+, PF3706+, PF3739+, PF3753+, PF3807+, PF3819+, PF626+, PF643+, PF653+, PF679+, PF733+, PF744+, PF825(+), PF834+, PF869+, PF948+, S10441+, S107+, S108+, S111+, S11330(+), S12289+, S12547(+), S138+, S1572+, S163(+), S1953+, S1954+, S1962+, S1968+, S1969+, S1971+, S1978+, S1984!, S1985+, S19862(+), S1987+, S2006+, S2007+, S2013+, S20315+, S22865+, S244+, S246+, S337+, S438+, S439+, S440+, S4888!, S6378+, S63+, S8235+, SRY10831(+), V102+, V126+, V168+, V186+, V187+, V218+, V221+, V226+, V241+, V29+, V41+, V52+, V9+, YSC1297+, YSC1311+

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    David and others who are S1954+. . . .you should think about joining the I-Z140 facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/I1.Z140.YDNA.Project. They are collating information from all of the different testing companies on the Z-140 subclade and know in detail the various subclades and SNPs downstream of S1954 (YSC261 in the YFULL tree http://www.yfull.com/tree/I-YSC261/). If you want to go deeper they can advise on the appropriate SNPs to test.
    Last edited by drabcon; 10-21-2015 at 08:53 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgo1963 View Post
    I'd like to pull together a list of I-M253 men who have taken the new Chromo2 test offered by BritainsDNA, ScotlandsDNA, etc. Two are acknowledged on Rootsweb. Let's hear from anyone else. Thanks,

    Phil Goff
    I'm a bit late to the party but I just received my results from CymruDna using Chromo2.
    I'm I-M253 and they tell me a recently discovered subtype of I-S2303

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    I'm not an I-M253 expert, but the ISOGG I Tree shows I-S1954 as I1a2a1a1a, a subclade of I-S244 (I-Z58) or I1a2.

    Maciamo Hay of Eupedia has I-Z58 as leading to branches that he has labeled as "West Germanic" and "Anglo-Saxon": http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I1_Y-DNA.shtml

    I don't know whether that is accurate or not.
    Why do they assume that I1 or I-M253 only came to the British Isles via Anglo Saxon or Viking migrations? There must surely have been interactions and migrations from the NE mainland of Europe before that time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillMC View Post
    Why do they assume that I1 or I-M253 only came to the British Isles via Anglo Saxon or Viking migrations? There must surely have been interactions and migrations from the NE mainland of Europe before that time.

    Unless I'm misreading Hay, he's not assumimg it only arrived in the British Isles during the Anglo Saxon and Viking migrations. Although, I would think it's fair to say that those two migrations are good candidates for bringing a decent portion of the haplogroup into the Isles.

    At any rate, here are some excerpts:

    " All Germanic tribes expanded from a small geographic core around Denmark and southern Sweden within the last 2500 years. STR (short tandem repeats) variations allows to divide I1 members in various categories. There are two main clusters, each with their own subgroups

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    the Southern cluster, most common in Denmark, Germany, the Low Countries and the British Isles. It corresponds to Ken Nordtvedt's Anglo-Saxon haplotype (originally Danish and North German), the Danish/Polish group usually has a DYS557 value greater than 15. the Western group, comprising the Low countries, England, Scotland and Ireland, matches the Z58+ subclade. It probably matches Anglo-Saxon and Frisian/Batavian ancestry ... the German group, is the most common type of I1 in Germany, France, Italy and Central Europe, but is also found in the British Isles and to a lower extent in Scandinavia

    [...]

    Z58+ is chiefly West Germanic, with a very strong presence in Germany, the Low Countries and Britain. It is also found to a lower extent in Nordic countries and throughout Continental Europe. Its age has been estimated around 4000 years before present ... Z140+ is a strongly West Germanic subclade, found essentially in the British Isles the Low Countries, northern France, central and southern Germany, and Switzerland ... "

    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplog...A.shtml#nordic
    Last edited by JMcB; 08-30-2016 at 03:36 AM.

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    You're right that there must have been migrations from "Germanic" lands before that. For example the Medway neolithic tombs where I live in Kent have parallels in Scandinavia. I've seen one myself in Sweden. And where my Y line came from in the Peak District there are some Bronze Age rock carvings that resemble ones I've seen myself in Norway etc. However, the TMRCA for my S12289 subclade is 800BC so much too late for that. Are others the same? Mine fits with the Anglian movement up the Trent and into the Peak. Certainly the most parsimonious explanation.

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    I'm predicted I-Y3649 which has a TMRCA of 700 BC. I haven't bothered to confirm it as of yet because after my results came in, I had a brief exchange with Ken Nordtvedt who told me that judging from my markers he would place my ancestors in the area of the Angles, Saxons and Frisians in roughly 400 BC. So I'll wait until the time is right and take a BigY test.

    Be that as it may, there's a whole lot of time between 400 BC and the Anglo Saxon and Viking migrations. So who knows where my ancestors went in the interim and how they ended up in Scotland where they kindly gave me the gaelic surname Mac Gille Brighde. Perhaps they came as Roman Auxiliaries, maybe they came on there own. Maybe they came through the Northumbrian expansion into Galloway or with the Danish Vikings around the Irish Sea. And as we are a sept of the MacDonald clan of the Isles, perhaps they were there in the days of Somhairle mac Gille Brighde and found his name worthy to take as their own

    I suspect I'll never know but I'll enjoy imagining.

    And who knows, maybe someday SNP testing will eventually tell the tale.
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