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    Where’d the Italian go?

    My closest match finally updated... However it was a massive downgrade.
    Her previous:
    46% Great Britain (3/4 English mother)
    20% Ireland/Scotland/Wales (Irish Grandparent)
    12% Europe West (German Great grandparent)
    9% Europe South (Italian Great grandparent)
    5% Finland/North West Russia (Ukrainian Great grandparent)
    4% Europe East (Ukrainian Great grandparent)
    3% Caucasus
    1% Africa North


    This is her update:
    39% England/Northwest Europe (Very accurate)
    35% Ireland/Scotland (Overestimated)
    11% Germanic Europe (Perfect)
    10% Europe East/Russia (Perfect)
    4% Norway (?)
    1% Greece and the Balkans (Maybe Italian?)

    Severe downgrade, my biggest question is that, where’d the Italian go? It seems like the whole ~ 12% went to Ireland and Norway; both make no sense but the latter was a curveball that makes no sense at all, it’s new too. How much of an indication is Greece and the Balkans for Italian Ancestry? Our Italian Great grandparent is from the Naples area. Thank you!
    Final Ancestry Paper Trail Tally:
    25% Russian, 12.5% Ashkenazi Jewish, 12.5% Belarusian, 12.5% Lithuanian, 12.5% Ukrainian, 12.5% Italian, 6.25% Kazakh, ~ 6% Black, 0.78125% Uzbek

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    Many people are asking the same thing...
    distance%=4.6465"
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    WHG,10.6
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    My mother’s Sicilian (1/2) shows up as 38% Sicilian, 4% Greek Balkan, 2% Portugal, 2% France and the balance of 4% must be in within her 24% northwest Europe.

    I am half east euro so some of my Greek Balkan is from my father. But I show as 22% Sicilian and I’m guessing the balance of 3% is Greek and Balkan or it’s in 3% france. Don’t know how I ended up with 15% Greek Balkan which is more than both my moms 4% and fathers 5%.

    Since your Italian is southern, your 1% Greek Balkan could be from Italian. Don’t know where the rest is.

    For us gedmatch calculators do lean Spanish, Greek , French, Balkan , Sicily/south Italy and a lot of northern and central Italy.
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    Yeah this update made the messy category for Italians even messier; and honestly unfunctionable.
    Final Ancestry Paper Trail Tally:
    25% Russian, 12.5% Ashkenazi Jewish, 12.5% Belarusian, 12.5% Lithuanian, 12.5% Ukrainian, 12.5% Italian, 6.25% Kazakh, ~ 6% Black, 0.78125% Uzbek

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    All of my Balkan is Sicilian, as it is the only part of my European ancestry that is not Northwestern European. I tested on 23andMe, but it wouldn't change on any other test; I surmise my Sicilian ancestors were from the Greek or Albanian minorities on the island, or both.

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    I am right now waiting for my brothers results. It should be done in a week or two.
    Will post here if he got Italian and how much. We are 37.5% North Tuscan. In Myheritage + 23andme it show up very few percents.
    So will be nice to see if he got more than me and specially in the Ancestry kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    I am right now waiting for my brothers results. It should be done in a week or two.
    Will post here if he got Italian and how much. We are 37.5% North Tuscan. In Myheritage + 23andme it show up very few percents.
    So will be nice to see if he got more than me and specially in the Ancestry kit.
    I would be surprised if they gave any to be honest. I'm not sure what is going on with their algorithm they are now using but it's broken. If you are full blooded something, or NW European it seems to be fine, although it is now dumbing down the admix results.

    I'm 25% Italian on paper, G25/nMonte show basically 30%. MyHeritage does also and various DNALand, Genecove calcs do as well. Previous Ancestry estimate had be at 13% Europe South, 7% Caucasus, 2% Middle east and 2% Iberian. So basically 25%.

    New estimate is 10% Italian, nothing else.

    My paternal aunts at 47% Italian, 2% Greece/Balkans, 2% Portugal. (We have zero Portugal BTW..)
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8


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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    I would be surprised if they gave any to be honest. I'm not sure what is going on with their algorithm they are now using but it's broken. If you are full blooded something, or NW European it seems to be fine, although it is now dumbing down the admix results.

    I'm 25% Italian on paper, G25/nMonte show basically 30%. MyHeritage does also and various DNALand, Genecove calcs do as well. Previous Ancestry estimate had be at 13% Europe South, 7% Caucasus, 2% Middle east and 2% Iberian. So basically 25%.

    New estimate is 10% Italian, nothing else.

    My paternal aunts at 47% Italian, 2% Greece/Balkans, 2% Portugal. (We have zero Portugal BTW..)


    Thank you for your answer. I runned you on Poi's K36 and found out that you had much more "Italian" than me. Because the South Italian is easier to detect than North Italian.
    Anyway I got most of the times 35-42% Piedmont / Spanish DNA for best fit.

    Gonna be interesting getting the Ancestry results soon. Even tho' I looking most forward for the Raw-data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nino90 View Post
    Thank you for your answer. I runned you on Poi's K36 and found out that you had much more "Italian" than me. Because the South Italian is easier to detect than North Italian.
    Anyway I got most of the times 35-42% Piedmont / Spanish DNA for best fit.

    Gonna be interesting getting the Ancestry results soon. Even tho' I looking most forward for the Raw-data.
    I'm honestly still perplexed. I know my family history on all sides vary well, but AncestryDNA and Living DNA both have me at 10% Italian. 23 and Me has me at 12.5% Italian but other components (West Asian, Broadly Southern and Iberian) bring it closer to 20%. My Heritage, FTDNA (ancestry transfer) and some GedMatch calcs and nMonte (G25 and Lukasz k36)have me at 30%, as do DNA.Land and Genecove etc..

    I suspect that while I am 25% Italian (on paper at least), of that 25%, possibly only 12% or so is actual Italic, the rest is whatever comes along with that and gets categorized as something else, like Germanic or French or something. I have no foundation to base this on other than my own thoughts on the subject so I could be way off.
    distance%=4.6465"
    Barcin_N,47.2
    Yamnaya_Samara,41.4
    WHG,10.6
    Ethiopia_4500BP,0.8


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    Just got my brother's results.
    He got 3% Italian and 8 % France.

    Nearly the same amount I got with 23andme V5.

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