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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Doesn't look like it compared to the northernmost Italians.
    I compared them to the Bergamo HGDP sample, which even contains Basque-shifted individuals compared to ordinary northwest Italians.

    By the way, could you change the thread title? Sounds clickbaity, the paper says nothing new and it's not about ancient Italy.

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    This quote is the most fair of the paper

    “Overall these results supported a scenario in which gene flow mostly
    occurred between resident Italian sources and non-Italian sources. SBA and ABA ancestries were
    detected in Italian and non-Italian best-proxies (Fig. 2D, Fig. 3, table S6, table S7), which suggests
    that part of these ancestries arrived from outside Italy in historical times, but also that these
    components were already present in Italian groups at the time of these admixture events.”

    Again this is essentially what the majority having been saying for some time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Do you know where the Sicilian and Calabrian samples are from?

    Some south Italians plot near to a few dots on the PCA I assume to be Cypriots.
    No idea but if I had to take a guess there would be samples from West and East, Sicily 1 and Sicily 2 represents one half and the other the other half.
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    That PCA is quite interesting as well, it shows Southern Italians being close to Anatolia BA, Anatolia CHL and Mycenaeans (this was already noted) and we're equally distant to Natufians as we are to Europe_LNBA (which population is this?).
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    The CHG component seems to be already present in NC Italy and SC Italy, not only in Southern Italy. If it's not of Neolithic origin, one might wonder what the real origin of the first Osco Umbrian or Sabellic tribes such as the Umbrians or the Sabini might be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    That PCA is quite interesting as well, it shows Southern Italians being close to Anatolia BA, Anatolia CHL and Mycenaeans (this was already noted) and we're equally distant to Natufians as we are to Europe_LNBA (which population is this?).
    One ancient Anatolia sample actually plots in south Italy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    One ancient Anatolia sample actually plots in south Italy.
    The closest one to South Italians is Anatolia_Chl, it should plot around Calabrians but he ended up there just for coincidence, being a mix of EEF and CHG elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Principe View Post
    That PCA is quite interesting as well, it shows Southern Italians being close to Anatolia BA, Anatolia CHL and Mycenaeans (this was already noted) and we're equally distant to Natufians as we are to Europe_LNBA (which population is this?).
    CWC and BB isn't it?
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    paternal-ggf YDNA: R1b-L48. Scott, William Hamilton mdka Ireland(?) < 1800s

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    as noted above, Anatolia BA doesn't stop in southern Italy, its also in central and northern Italy, and the source of this northern ABA is southern Italy, so admixture from the south.

    when and how? how would Etruscan origins play into all this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    One ancient Anatolia sample actually plots in south Italy.
    Yes it is a Bronze Age Anatolian, its actually quite fascinating MLukas ancient K36 showed the same thing, my closest ancient populations were Anatolia CHL and BA followed by Armenian.
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