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    Early Norse Kings of York

    For the possible interest of some.

    Early Norse Kings of York

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    This paper is a critical review of the early Norse kings of York. The true value of all sources is analysed and evaluated, as well as compared to the hagiography and legend of the ‘Historia de Sancta Cuthberta’ whose credibility is verified.


    https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.ed...gs_of_York.pdf
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    The link seems broken for me, is this the same document? http://www.academia.edu/37911779/Ear..._kings_of_York
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    For the possible interest of some.

    Early Norse Kings of York

    Attachment 27673

    Abstract:

    This paper is a critical review of the early Norse kings of York. The true value of all sources is analysed and evaluated, as well as compared to the hagiography and legend of the ‘Historia de Sancta Cuthberta’ whose credibility is verified.


    https://s3.amazonaws.com/academia.ed...gs_of_York.pdf
    I'm fascinated by the kings in York JMcB so would enjoy reading this. Will search for the link if you don't repost.
    I like these evocative lines by Egil Skallagrimsson, recounting how he saved his head in York by reciting a poem in praise of Erik Bloodaxe.
    "...that mighty
    maker of men
    ruled the land from beneath
    his helmet of terror;
    In York
    the king reigned,
    rigid of mind,
    over rainy shores."
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    Given the reputation in Norway of Erik "Bloody Axe" some bias in the Icelandic sources is also entirely credible.

    My teacjher responsible for Norwegian language at grammar school had his doctorate in old Norse. We definitely went though "Huvudlausn" and were examined in the difference between the poetic allusions by "kenningr" and by "heiti". Mr. Skallagrimsons final act avoided greed and quarrel between his heirs. He jumped into the waterfall together with his entire treasure of silver.

    p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spruithean View Post
    The link seems broken for me, is this the same document? http://www.academia.edu/37911779/Ear..._kings_of_York

    Hello spruithean,

    Yes, that’s it. I guess the original one timed out for some reason. Perhaps because I linked to the pdf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ph. View Post
    Given the reputation in Norway of Erik "Bloody Axe" some bias in the Icelandic sources is also entirely credible.

    My teacjher responsible for Norwegian language at grammar school had his doctorate in old Norse. We definitely went though "Huvudlausn" and were examined in the difference between the poetic allusions by "kenningr" and by "heiti". Mr. Skallagrimsons final act avoided greed and quarrel between his heirs. He jumped into the waterfall together with his entire treasure of silver.

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    I like the bit in the saga where it says English coins sometimes turn up in the stream. I visited Egil's farmstead at Borg once. It's a beautiful place and added to my enjoyment of rereadings. York is great too of course and the Viking museum there is now much improved and worth a long visit.
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