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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    Saudis can be modeled well with Levant_BA south on nMonte. So did people from the levant move south and populate the peninsula? If so, why? The climate there is quite inhospitable compared to the former. Was it different at some point, the same way the sahara had green periods?
    Did people from the Levant move south and populate the Arabian peninsula? Yes, in fact we can say this occurred at least thrice since the Chalcolithic-EBA. The first wave, congruent with the 5.9 kiloyear event, saw the spread along the Tihama coast of a pastoral culture with close links to the Chalcolithic Timnian culture, this wave is arguably tied to the arrival of early West Semitic speech (which gave rise to Modern South Arabian and Ethiosemitic). A second wave, congruent with the 4.2 kiloyear event and the dissolution of the Central Semitic dialect continuum saw the arrival of Old South Arabian quickly followed by the emergence of urbanisation in what is now Yemen and SW Saudi Arabia. Finally, another wave from an area encompassing what is now Southern Syria, Northern Jordan and NWern Saudi Arabia some ~3,000 years BP saw the spread of the earliest Arabic-speaking communities (what some would call the "Proto-Arabs"). The most obvious trace of these migrations is the sheer ubiquity of Y-DNA haplogroup J1 in the Arabian peninsula, as this marker clearly spread following a north-to-south migration path.

    Others such as Juris Zarins surmised that migrations at the end of the PPNB period and the beginning of the Pottery Neolithic were responsible for the initial introduction of pastoralism in the Arabian peninsula (what Zarins called the "Circum Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex"). The Neolithic petroglyphs in various Arabian sites (Shuwaymis for example) do suggest that some PPNB-related populations migrated southwards during the Neolithic period. What must be kept in mind however is that the Late Pleistocene Gulf refugium could be just as important if not more important than the Levant for the Mesolithic peopling of the Arabian peninsula. There is also some (linguistic) evidence suggesting that early or para-Cushitic speakers preceded the arrival of the early Semites in SW Arabia, so the Horn of Africa might also have been a demographic source (which makes sense if we wish to view the peopling of Arabia under the lense of the desiccation of the Sahara).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agamemnon View Post
    Did people from the Levant move south and populate the Arabian peninsula? Yes, in fact we can say this occurred at least thrice since the Chalcolithic-EBA. The first wave, congruent with the 5.9 kiloyear event, saw the spread along the Tihama coast of a pastoral culture with close links to the Chalcolithic Timnian culture, this wave is arguably tied to the arrival of early West Semitic speech (which gave rise to Modern South Arabian and Ethiosemitic). A second wave, congruent with the 4.2 kiloyear event and the dissolution of the Central Semitic dialect continuum saw the arrival of Old South Arabian quickly followed by the emergence of urbanisation in what is now Yemen and SW Saudi Arabia. Finally, another wave from an area encompassing what is now Southern Syria, Northern Jordan and NWern Saudi Arabia some ~3,000 years BP saw the spread of the earliest Arabic-speaking communities (what some would call the "Proto-Arabs"). The most obvious trace of these migrations is the sheer ubiquity of Y-DNA haplogroup J1 in the Arabian peninsula, as this marker clearly spread following a north-to-south migration path.

    Others such as Juris Zarins surmised that migrations at the end of the PPNB period and the beginning of the Pottery Neolithic were responsible for the initial introduction of pastoralism in the Arabian peninsula (what Zarins called the "Circum Arabian Nomadic Pastoral Complex"). The Neolithic petroglyphs in various Arabian sites (Shuwaymis for example) do suggest that some PPNB-related populations migrated southwards during the Neolithic period. What must be kept in mind however is that the Late Pleistocene Gulf refugium could be just as important if not more important than the Levant for the Mesolithic peopling of the Arabian peninsula. There is also some (linguistic) evidence suggesting that early or para-Cushitic speakers preceded the arrival of the early Semites in SW Arabia, so the Horn of Africa might also have been a demographic source (which makes sense if we wish to view the peopling of Arabia under the lense of the desiccation of the Sahara).
    Thanks. So do modern Arabs have ancestry from all three waves? Or just the last two?

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    I was talking to a Yemeni classmate the other day about ancestry tests and he said that his lineage probably goes back to Iraq and it would show.

    I never really looked at Yemeni 23andme results and now I see that all of them I looked at have a "northern Arab" component or Western Asian in 23andme. Me and my brother are South Asian with a Yemeni great, great grandfather and even we get Western Asian traces, as well as our cousin on the same side.

    Edit: it also makes me wonder about my EV-22 Y-DNA, if it came from a Horner migration or Egypt/Levant migration.





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