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    The road from L23 to P312

    Looking at FTDNA, ISOGG, YFull and the Big Tree there are currently 28 mutations on the road from L23 to P312 in 5 blocks. None of the sites are yet reporting any new FGCLR results yet amongst these 28. The table below lists all 28 mutations and whether they are included in the trees at FTDNA, ISOGG and Yfull. I have also included the Big Tree although I don't think they are trying to include everting there yet in the R1b branches predating P312.

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    1. Rich Rocca says this is a 'train wreck' and appears in many other haplogroups see post 80 4 https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....l=1#post160096

    2. Alex Williamson has this way downstream here https://www.ytree.net/SNPinfoForPers...?personID=2866

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    I really feel for those who fall into this part of the haplotree - the sample size is very small and the data is marginal. Hey - but there is marginal data to explore with tomorrow's technology and they did survive down to the present.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertCasey View Post
    I really feel for those who fall into this part of the haplotree - the sample size is very small and the data is marginal. Hey - but there is marginal data to explore with tomorrow's technology and they did survive down to the present.
    No need to to worry about the people who are R1b-L23 (xP312 xU106). There's some really interesting developments lately. Breaking the L51, L52 phylogenetic level, samples from Turkey and Armenia in the R1b-Z2118/PF7589 and R1b-CTS4528/S1200 branches respectively.
    What was considered a phylogenetic train wreck a few years ago isn't now.
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2118/
    https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S1200/
    YFull R1b-M269>L23>Z2103>Z2106>Z2108>Y14512>Y20971>Y22199, ISOGG R1b1a1a2a2c1b Y14416, FTDNA R-M64

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