# Thread: 0 - 1000 BCE (Iron Age) G25 Fun Calculator

1. Originally Posted by branimir
[1] "distance%=2.1445"

Branimir_scaled

ILLYRIAN,37.2
BALTIC,33.8
MACEDONIAN,15.6
PONTIC,10.6
LEVANTINE,2.8

What's the difference between Pontic-Baltic, Pontic and Pannonian-Pontic?
Pontic-Baltic is Scythian Ukraine sample which looks very close to the Slavs. Pannonian Pontic are some Scythian Hungary samples shifted east, Pontic are Scythian samples looking very Pontic.

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3. Request mine as well

Mitchell_scaled,0.1331730368,0.1340498833,0.058830 8246,0.0465122229,0.0372377377,0.0214745808,0.0009 400426,0.0066920288,0.0036814291,-0.0029157778,-0.0077946443,0.0004495998,-0.0080276771,-0.0133493992,0.0204937654,0.0043754565,-0.0076926588,0.0001266886,0.0079189772,0.002501199 7,0.0056150913,-0.0019784438,-0.0062856336,0.0151828693,-0.0033529927

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5. Can you do mine?

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Radboud,0.12862011246302,0.138112000926784,0.06147 0669265919,0.044897215169763,0.0369299878147827,0. 0167334395746959,-0.000940042552228355,0.00230759615184287,0.0036814 2907034755,0.00145788888465479,-0.00665792535254038,-0.00149866607354674,-0.0127848191226939,-0.0132117765648682,0.0217152480989741,0.0198884388 527607,0.0146030133876539,-0.00228039470267759,-0.00540501618868991,0.00425203951063487,0.00711244 894533522,0.00964491368546137,0.00419042241307484, 0.01590586306995,0.00107774765135443

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7. Me:

[1] "distance%=1.9062"

NORTHWESTERN_IRANIAN (CHECK FOOTNOTE), 79.6
EASTERN_IRANIAN (CHECK FOOTNOTE), 8
ALANIC, 6.4
SWAT-VALLEY, 4.2
EAST-HUNNIC-MONGOLIAN, 1.4
EAST-HUNNIC-STEPPE, 0.2
IBEROMAURUSIAN, 0.2

*** -- The Turkmenistan sample is actually an Eastern Iranian and not a Turkic. The sample from Teppe Hasanlu is a Northwestern Iranian.

Summary: Technically speaking, based on these results, I have at least 94% genetic continuity to Iranians of 0-1000 BCE.

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9. PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Alain_E21436_scaled,0.134311,0.135065,0.067882,0.0 62985,0.036314,0.025379,0.00799,0.014076,0.0045,-0.014579,-0.004872,-0.004046,0.005798,0.018992,-0.007057,-0.005569,-0.009257,0.002787,-0.002263,-0.004627,0.002995,-0.00136,-0.001356,-0.000843,-0.001916

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Alain:E21436,0.0118,0.0133,0.018,0.0195,0.0118,0.0 091,0.0034,0.0061,0.0022,-0.008,-0.003,-0.0027,0.0039,0.0138,-0.0052,-0.0042,-0.0071,0.0022,-0.0018,-0.0037,0.0024,-0.0011,-0.0011,-0.0007,-0.0016
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11. Originally Posted by ph2ter
[1] "distance%=2.8768"

Ronald_Blake

CELTIC-SOUTHEAST,36.6
NORDIC,27.6
CELTIC-NORTHWEST,20.4
GREEK,13.2
BALTIC,2.2
Thank you so much!

12. Pen=0

CELTIC-NORTHWEST,28.8
ILLYRIAN,21.2
BALTIC,16.8
CELTIC-SOUTHEAST,11.2
GREEK,8.6
PANNONIAN-PONTIC,5.4
IRANIAN,3
IBERIAN,2.6
CIMMERIAN,2.4

Pen=0.001

PANNONIAN,26.2
CELTIC-NORTHWEST,16.8
CELTIC-SOUTHEAST,16.4
ILLYRIAN,8
PONTIC-BALTIC,6.8
BALTIC,5.4
MACEDONIAN,5
GREEK,3
NORDIC,3
PANNONIAN-PONTIC,2.4
THRACIAN-PONTIC,2.2
IRANIAN,1.4
ALANIC,1
CIMMERIAN,0.8
ANATOLIAN,0.4
SARMATIAN-URALS,0.4
LEVANTINE,0.2
SARMATIAN,0.2
SARMATIAN-POKROVKA,0.2
TURKMENISTAN,0.2

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14. Originally Posted by ph2ter
All my runs are with pen=0.
Iranian is Northwest Iran.
Baltic is Baltic, Nordic is Nordic_IA and Levanluhta outliers.
So, in that time period, maybe something like the Aesti?

It was published in 98AD -- about 100 years after this calculator's relevant period, but, per Tacitus:

Geographical and linguistic evidence suggests that the Aesti were, ethnologically, a Baltic people. They may have been synonymous with the Brus/Prūsa or "Old Prussians" – that is, not a Germanic people like modern Prussians, and not a Finno-Ugric people, such as modern Estonians. Tacitus almost certainly erred in implying that the Aesti were a hybrid Celtic-Germanic culture: he claimed that while the "Aestian nations" followed the "same customs and attire" as "the Suebians" (at the time a collective term for eastern Germanic peoples), their speech resembled that of the Britons (i.e., a Celtic language rather than the Germanic languages of the Suebii). Tacitus often utilised unreliable, secondary sources,[2] and may not have been aware of such distinctions in any case.

Upon the right of the Suebian Sea the Aestian nations reside, who use the same customs and attire with the Suebians; their language more resembles that of Britain. They worship the Mother of the Gods. As the characteristic of their national superstition, they wear the images of wild boars. This alone serves them for arms, this is the safeguard of all, and by this every worshipper of the Goddess is secured even amidst his foes. Rare amongst them is the use of weapons of iron, but frequent that of clubs. In producing of grain and the other fruits of the earth, they labour with more assiduity and patience than is suitable to the usual laziness of Germans. Nay, they even search the deep, and of all the rest are the only people who gather amber. They call it glesum, and find it amongst the shallows and upon the very shore. But, according to the ordinary incuriosity and ignorance of Barbarians, they have neither learnt, nor do they inquire, what is its nature, or from what cause it is produced. In truth it lay long neglected amongst the other gross discharges of the sea; till from our luxury, it gained a name and value. To themselves it is of no use: they gather it rough, they expose it in pieces coarse and unpolished, and for it receive a price with wonder. (Germania, chapter XLV).
The placement of the Tacitean Aestii is based primarily on their association with amber, a popular luxury item during the life of Tacitus, with known sources at the southeastern coast of the Baltic Sea. The Baltic amber trade, which appears to have extended to the Mediterranean Sea, has been traced by archaeologists back to the Nordic Bronze Age; its major center was in the region of Sambia.
This trade probably existed before the historical Trojan War in the 13th century BCE, as amber is one of the substances in which the palace of Menelaus at Sparta was said to be rich in Homer's The Iliad.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesti

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16. Originally Posted by ph2ter
[1] "distance%=2.3597"

Garimund_scaled

CELTIC-NORTHWEST,43.4
CELTIC-SOUTHEAST,38.8
IBERIAN,11.6
NORDIC,4.8
IBEROMAURUSIAN,0.8
SOUTH-AFRICA,0.4
LEVANTINE,0.2
Is Celtic Southeast the Hallstatt sample? Thanks. Very cool calculator here!

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18. can you do mine .......

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Vettor_scaled,0.120652,0.147252,0.029415,-0.001615,0.032006,0.001673,0.00235,0.004846,0.0102 26,0.018588,-0.001786,0.000899,-0.009812,0.003028,-0.004343,-0.011005,-0.014081,0.002787,0.007165,-0.00988,-0.004367,0.005564,-0.004807,0.002892,0.001078

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Vettor,0.0106,0.0145,0.0078,-0.0005,0.0104,0.0006,0.001,0.0021,0.005,0.0102,-0.0011,0.0006,-0.0066,0.0022,-0.0032,-0.0083,-0.0108,0.0022,0.0057,-0.0079,-0.0035,0.0045,-0.0039,0.0024,0.0009

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