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    ZephyrousMandaru's Geno 2.0 Results

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    I highly suspect Northern European correlates partially with Atlantic_Balitc. As I register a similar percentage, due to the fact that Atlantic_Baltic has some Neolithic Mediterranean alleles in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    Why are you getting more North Euro than Georgians? lol How accurate is this thing?
    An even better question is, how am I registering any Northern European at all? In most other tests, my Northern European is very, very low. In the 1-3% low. My genetic distance from Georgians is great, it's 20+.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    Yeah, that is really odd. I guess your results depend on how these "components" are defined.
    That's what I'm thinking, I wonder how much overlap there is between these components.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    Yeah, some of the components on this test (like Mediterranean) seem poorly defined and dubious.
    Yeah, Mediterranean in Geno 2.0 is more like West Asian plus Southwest Asian. While Southwest Asian is more like Gedrosia + the rest of West Asian.

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    My genetic distance from Georgians is great, it's 20+.
    You have some very interesting results. Based on this, you are roughly intermediate between the average Georgian and average Lebanese sample, but closer to the average Georgian. Does this roughly match what you've seen using other tools? My results were pretty congruent with other tools, so I'm interested if others have had the same experience. My closest reference population are the North Caucasians (Daghestanis, Abkhazians, and other Caucasian populations), and my second closest reference population are the Western Indians (Gujaratis). This corresponds very well with the "2-population Approximation" results on the GEDMatch oracles. I tend to be half North Ossetian and half Gujarati on these tools, so that matches nicely with what Geno 2.0 gave me.

    What fascinates me is the striking discordance between your results, and what Iranians are getting. You seem to have no East Eurasian input whatsoever, while Iranians tend to get anywhere from 6% to 13% East Eurasian (Northeast Asian+Southeast Asian).

    Yeah, some of the components on this test (like Mediterranean) seem poorly defined and dubious.
    Their Mediterranean component is basically a rough combination of the Caucasus-specific and Southwestern Asian-specific component we see in the "Genome Blogger" Projects. It's really a specifically Western Asian component in comparison to the other two West Eurasian components they have, with the Northern European component capturing any European specific ancestry, rather than just Northeast European ancestry (rather similar to the "Atlantic_Baltic" component), and the Southwest Asian component capturing any West Eurasian ancestry affiliated with South Asia (Gedrosia/Baloch+West Eurasian half of the "South Asian/South Indian" component). I think the reason their components look so different from the ones we see in the Genome Blogger projects is due partly, if not mainly, to their data-set. They didn't use the HGDP Pakistani populations, so the Baloch-Gedrosia component doesn't really happen. Also, the test is K=9, and most of the calculators we see are from K=12 to K=16. I'd say that also leads to a few differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sein View Post
    You have some very interesting results. Based on this, you are roughly intermediate between the average Georgian and average Lebanese sample, but closer to the average Georgian. Does this roughly match what you've seen using other tools? My results were pretty congruent with other tools, so I'm interested if others have had the same experience. My closest reference population are the North Caucasians (Daghestanis, Abkhazians, and other Caucasian populations), and my second closest reference population are the Western Indians (Gujaratis). This corresponds very well with the "2-population Approximation" results on the GEDMatch oracles. I tend to be half North Ossetian and half Gujarati on these tools, so that matches nicely with what Geno 2.0 gave me.

    What fascinates me is the striking discordance between your results, and what Iranians are getting. You seem to have no East Eurasian input whatsoever, while Iranians tend to get anywhere from 6% to 13% East Eurasian (Northeast Asian+Southeast Asian).
    Thank you. Yes, it certainly appears so. However, these results, in terms the reference populations I've been matched with are inharmonious with the other tools I've used. I have used several, and in almost every single one, my top populations have always been the Mizrahim Jews (Iranian/Iraqi/Georgian/Uzbekistani/Azeri Jews), Iraqi Mandaeans (When included) followed by Armenians, Druze, Levantine Arabs, etc. Georgians were usually either not listed in the top population approximation lists, which comprised 20 populations or they were at the very bottom with a genetic distance near or at 20.



    Their Mediterranean component is basically a rough combination of the Caucasus-specific and Southwestern Asian-specific component we see in the "Genome Blogger" Projects. It's really a specifically Western Asian component in comparison to the other two West Eurasian components they have, with the Northern European component capturing any European specific ancestry, rather than just Northeast European ancestry (rather similar to the "Atlantic_Baltic" component), and the Southwest Asian component capturing any West Eurasian ancestry affiliated with South Asia (Gedrosia/Baloch+West Eurasian half of the "South Asian/South Indian" component). I think the reason their components look so different from the ones we see in the Genome Blogger projects is due partly, if not mainly, to their data-set. They didn't use the HGDP Pakistani populations, so the Baloch-Gedrosia component doesn't really happen. Also, the test is K=9, and most of the calculators we see are from K=12 to K=16. I'd say that also leads to a few differences.
    Yes, I figured their Northern European component may be similar to the Atlantic_Baltic component. Either that, or it's capturing some of the "Gedrosia/West_Central_Asian/Baloch" we see in other calculators. I also think Southwest Asian is a proxy for Gedrosia + some Caucasus. It's possible that some of this Gedrosia is being subsumed into the Northern European component. Which is typically found in excruciatingly low levels on other tests for me.

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    ...my top populations have always been the Mizrahim Jews (Iranian/Iraqi/Georgian/Uzbekistani/Azeri Jews), Iraqi Mandaeans (When included) followed by Armenians, Druze, Levantine Arabs, etc. Georgians were usually either not listed in the top population approximation lists, which comprised 20 populations or they were at the very bottom with a genetic distance near or at 20.
    Very interesting, this means they need many more reference populations from West Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sein View Post
    Very interesting, this means they need many more reference populations from West Asia.
    Yep, what I do like about Geno 2.0, is that their Y-DNA and mtDNA analysis is superior to 23andMe's. As well as the Heat Maps, and the ability to transfer your results to Family Tree DNA which I have.

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    Here are Dodecad V3 results, if Globe13 had an Oracle I'd use it but this will have to do for now.

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) 2.46
    2 Iranian_Jews (Behar) 5.64
    3 Iraq_Jews (Behar) 5.85
    4 Assyrian (Dodecad) 6.5
    5 Georgia_Jews (Behar) 6.64
    6 Druze (HGDP) 7.29
    7 Uzbekistan_Jews (Behar) 7.99
    8 Kurd (Xing) 9.22
    9 Armenian (Dodecad) 10.25
    10 Kurd (Dodecad) 11.02
    11 Turkish (Dodecad) 11.8
    12 Turks (Behar) 12.01
    13 Iranians (Behar) 13.03
    14 Samaritians (Behar) 13.2
    15 Lebanese (Behar) 13.84
    16 Armenians_16 (Behar) 14.28
    17 Iranian (Dodecad) 14.35
    18 Syrians (Behar) 14.69
    19 Palestinian (HGDP) 15.87
    20 Jordanians_19 (Behar) 18.18

    These are my top 20 populations, Georgians are not listed. Suggesting a genetic distance of 19 or more.

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    Differences Between 23andMe and Geno 2.0 Third-Party Tool ADMIXTURE Values
    
    Dodecad V3 (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
     0.82%  East_European       
      4.66%  West_European       
     22.93%  Mediterranean       
      0.00%  Neo_African         
     47.72%  West_Asian          
      2.28%  South_Asian         
      0.00%  Northeast_Asian     
      0.00%  Southeast_Asian     
      0.00%  East_African        
     21.16%  Southwest_Asian     
      0.04%  Northwest_African   
      0.39%  Palaeo_African  
    
    
    Dodecad V3 (23andMe raw data)
    
    # Population Percent
    1  West_Asian 45.18
    2  Mediterranean 26.5
    3 Southwest_Asian 18.28
    4 West_European 5.11
    5 South_Asian 3.31
    6 Northwest_African 1.21
    7 Northeast_Asian 0.28
    8 Palaeo_African 0.13
    
    
    
    Dodecad K12a (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
      9.22%  Mediterranean       
      0.00%  Far_Asian           
      0.00%  Siberian            
      5.49%  North_European      
      0.00%  South_Asian         
      0.00%  West_African        
     51.49%  Caucasus            
     13.32%  Gedrosia            
      0.04%  East_African        
     20.31%  Southwest_Asian     
      0.00%  Southeast_Asian     
      0.13%  Northwest_African
    
    
    Dodecad K12a (23andMe raw data)
    
     13.63%  Mediterranean       
      0.00%  Far_Asian           
      0.18%  Siberian            
      3.12%  North_European      
      0.02%  South_Asian         
      0.00%  West_African        
     49.20%  Caucasus            
     14.19%  Gedrosia            
      0.29%  East_African        
     18.49%  Southwest_Asian     
      0.00%  Southeast_Asian     
      0.87%  Northwest_African  
    
    
    Dodecad K12b (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
     17.34%  Gedrosia            
      0.00%  Siberian            
      0.06%  Northwest_African   
      0.00%  Southeast_Asian     
      6.91%  Atlantic_Med        
      4.19%  North_European      
      0.00%  South_Asian         
      0.26%  East_African        
     20.39%  Southwest_Asian     
      0.00%  East_Asian          
     50.85%  Caucasus            
      0.00%  Sub_Saharan 
    
    Dodecad K12b (23andMe raw data)
    
    Population	 
    Gedrosia	18.05%
    Siberian	0.55%
    Northwest_African	0.87%
    Southeast_Asian	-    
    Atlantic_Med	11.45%
    North_European	1.96%
    South_Asian	-    
    East_African	0.30%
    Southwest_Asian	18.78%
    East_Asian	-    
    Caucasus	48.02%
    Sub_Saharan	-
    
    
    WEAC (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
     28.45%  Atlantic-Baltic     
     70.53%  Near-East           
      0.94%  Far-East            
      0.09%  Africa    
    
    Dodecad WEAC (23andMe raw data)
     28.92%  Atlantic-Baltic     
     69.17%  Near-East           
      1.75%  Far-East            
      0.16%  Africa  
    
    
    WEAC2 (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
    0.59%  Palaeoafrican       
     14.85%  Atlantic_Baltic     
      0.00%  Northeast_Asian     
     72.01%  Near_East           
      0.01%  Sub_Saharan         
     12.55%  South_Asian         
      0.00%  Southeast_Asian 
    
    
    Dodecad WEAC2 (23andMe raw data)
    
      0.32%  Palaeoafrican       
    15.38%  Atlantic_Baltic     
      0.51%  Northeast_Asian     
    72.00%  Near_East           
      0.01%  Sub_Saharan         
    11.79%  South_Asian         
      0.00%  Southeast_Asian 
    
    BAT (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
    21.79%  Balkans             
     76.61%  Anatolia            
      1.60%  Turkic
    
    BAT (23andMe raw data)
    23.73%  Balkans             
     73.73%  Anatolia            
      2.54%  Turkic  
    
    Dodecad K7b (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
    0.78%  South_Asian         
     51.29%  West_Asian          
      0.00%  Siberian            
      0.49%  African             
     38.21%  Southern            
      9.23%  Atlantic_Baltic     
      0.01%  East_Asian
    
    Dodecad K7b (23andMe raw data)
    Population	 
    South_Asian	1.18%
    West_Asian	48.38%
    Siberian	0.40%
    African	0.34%
    Southern	39.30%
    Atlantic_Baltic	10.39%
    East_Asian	-  
    
    
     HarappaWorld (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
     0.31%  S-Indian            
     14.50%  Baloch              
     59.04%  Caucasian           
      3.28%  NE-Euro             
      0.00%  SE-Asian            
      0.41%  Siberian            
      0.00%  NE-Asian            
      0.64%  Papuan              
      0.00%  American            
      0.09%  Beringian           
      3.24%  Mediterranean       
     18.42%  SW-Asian            
      0.06%  San                 
      0.01%  E-African           
      0.00%  Pygmy               
      0.00%  W-African   
    
    HarappaWorld (23andMe raw data)
    
    S-Indian -    
    Baloch 16.76%
    Caucasian 55.75%
    NE-Euro 0.28%
    SE-Asian -    
    Siberian 0.20%
    NE-Asian -    
    Papuan 0.82%
    American -    
    Beringian 0.34%
    Mediterranean 8.44%
    SW-Asian 17.42%
    San -    
    E-African -    
    Pygmy -
    
    
    Dodecad K10a (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
    0.04%  Palaeoafrican       
      0.06%  South_Asian         
     54.37%  West_Asian          
      0.01%  Southeast_Asian     
      0.00%  Sub_Saharan         
      1.81%  Atlantic_Baltic     
      7.89%  Red_Sea             
      0.00%  East_Asian          
     35.82%  Mediterranean       
      0.00%  Siberian
    
    Dodecad K10a (23andMe raw data)
    
    0.13%  South_Asian         
     52.08%  West_Asian          
       0.05%  Southeast_Asian     
       0.00%  Sub_Saharan         
       1.38%  Atlantic_Baltic     
       7.00%  Red_Sea             
       0.01%  East_Asian          
     38.68%  Mediterranean       
       0.68%  Siberian  
    
    Jtest (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
     0.00%  SOUTH_BALTIC        
      0.33%  EAST_EUROPEAN       
      6.55%  CENTRAL_EURO        
      0.00%  ATLANTIC            
      4.36%  WEST_MED            
      3.57%  ASHKENAZIM          
     43.91%  EAST_MED            
     29.34%  WEST_ASIAN          
     11.55%  MIDDLE_EASTERN      
      0.38%  SOUTH_ASIAN         
      0.00%  EAST_AFRICAN        
      0.00%  EAST_ASIAN          
      0.00%  SIBERIAN            
      0.00%  SUB-SAHARAN 
    
    Jtest (23andMe raw data)
    
    0.00% SOUTH_BALTIC
    0.83% EAST_EURO
    3.86% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
    0.00% ATLANTIC
    7.84% WEST_MED
    3.06% ASHKENAZIM
    42.89% EAST_MED
    28.15% WEST_ASIAN
    11.55% MIDDLE_EASTERN
    1.68% SOUTH_ASIAN
    0.13% EAST_AFRICAN
    0.00% EAST_ASIAN
    0.00% SIBERIAN
    0.00% WEST_AFRICAN
    
    
    EUtest (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
     0.00%  SOUTH_BALTIC        
      0.67%  EAST_EUROPEAN       
      6.94%  CENTRAL_EURO        
      0.00%  ATLANTIC            
      4.87%  WEST_MED            
     45.06%  EAST_MED            
     29.90%  WEST_ASIAN          
     12.15%  MIDDLE_EASTERN      
      0.41%  SOUTH_ASIAN         
      0.00%  EAST_AFRICAN        
      0.00%  EAST_ASIAN          
      0.00%  SIBERIAN            
      0.00%  SUB-SAHARAN   
    
    EUtest (23andMe raw data)
    
    0.00% SOUTH_BALTIC
    1.13% EAST_EURO
    4.20% NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO
    0.02% ATLANTIC
    8.26% WEST_MED
    43.79% EAST_MED
    28.60% WEST_ASIAN
    12.13% MIDDLE_EASTERN
    1.73% SOUTH_ASIAN
    0.13% EAST_AFRICAN
    0.00% EAST_ASIAN
    0.00% SIBERIAN
    0.00% WEST_AFRICAN
    
    
    MDLP K=27 (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
     0.00%  Nilotic-Omotic      
      1.04%  Ancestral-South-Indi
      2.99%  North-European-Balti
      0.87%  Uralic              
      0.00%  Australo-Melanesian 
      0.00%  East-Siberean       
      0.00%  Ancestral-Yayoi     
     43.30%  Caucasian-Near-Easte
      0.36%  Tibeto-Burman       
      0.01%  Austronesian        
      0.00%  Central-African-Pygm
      0.55%  Central-African-Hunt
      0.00%  Nilo-Saharian       
      0.00%  North-African       
     25.87%  Gedrosia-Caucasian  
      1.14%  Cushitic            
      0.00%  Congo-Pygmean       
      0.70%  Bushmen             
      0.00%  South-Meso-Amerindia
      4.51%  South-West-European 
      0.00%  North-Amerindian    
     15.83%  Arabic              
      0.70%  North-Circumpolar   
      1.78%  Kalash              
      0.34%  Papuan-Australian   
      0.00%  Baltic-Finnic       
      0.00%  Bantu     
    
    MDLP K=27 (23andMe raw data)
    
    0.57%  Nilotic-Omotic      
      0.70%  Ancestral-South-Indian
      0.44%  North-European-Baltic
      1.02%  Uralic              
      0.27%  Australo-Melanesian 
      0.06%  East-Siberean       
      0.00%  Ancestral-Yayoi     
     40.62%  Caucasian-Near-Eastern
      0.00%  Tibeto-Burman       
      0.00%  Austronesian        
      0.00%  Central-African-Pygmean
      0.03%  Central-African-Hunter
      0.00%  Nilo-Saharian       
      2.14%  North-African       
     26.21%  Gedrosia-Caucasian  
      3.25%  Cushitic            
      0.00%  Congo-Pygmean       
      0.00%  Bushmen             
      0.00%  South-Meso-Amerindia
      8.36%  South-West-European 
      0.00%  North-Amerindian    
     13.57%  Arabic              
      0.00%  North-Circumpolar   
      2.09%  Kalash              
      0.67%  Papuan-Australian   
      0.00%  Baltic-Finnic       
      0.00%  Bantu  
    
    Euro7 (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
    35.96%  Caucasus            
      2.77%  Northwestern        
      1.32%  Northeastern        
     45.25%  Southeastern        
      1.58%  African             
      0.02%  Far_Asian           
     13.10%  Southwestern     
    
    Euro7 (23andMe raw data)
    
    34.46%  Caucasus            
      5.48%  Northwestern        
      0.16%  Northeastern        
     44.33%  Southeastern        
      0.78%  African             
      1.32%  Far_Asian           
     13.48%  Southwestern 
    
    
    Dodecad Eurasia7 (Geno 2.0 raw data)
    
    0.29%  Sub_Saharan         
     58.13%  West_Asian          
      8.31%  Atlantic_Baltic     
      0.02%  East_Asian          
     30.70%  Southern            
      2.56%  South_Asian         
      0.00%  Siberian
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