Aryan vs Dravidians - A Myth by Dr. Dr. Subramanian Swamy

[Saad2016]

A very interesting talk :

[Rahuls77]

This joker talks bunkum for most part. I wouldn't even bother opening the link.
Whatever his argument, he has an axe to grind.

[Mandoos]

where are India's brains hiding. lol this is harder to watch than Mike Pence arguing against evolution being studied

[aaronbee2010]

This joker talks bunkum for most part. I wouldn't even bother opening the link.
Whatever his argument, he has an axe to grind.

"The Festival of Bharat" <-- Kinda gives his agenda way lol

where are India's brains hiding. lol this is harder to watch than Mike Pence arguing against evolution being studied

His nonsense on gay conversion therapy was even more cringeworthy lol

[Saad2016]

yaar, its his perspective . If there is a counter argument, present it discuss it like a gentleman. The interpretation and historical context of word Aryan and Arya was thought provoking.
It is very possible, as he said that during the British rule the term was forged to divide the locals. Arya in Vedic context was not a race but Arya means Civilized/cultured etc. etc. in other words Vedic Arya is not the same as Aryan Race . Just like Dalla in South Asian is a bad word and Dallas is a City in Texas. The two should not be mixed together and we deduce that because Dalla live in Dallas Texas and hence the name. lol

[Mandoos]

yaar, its his perspective . If there is a counter argument, present it discuss it like a gentleman. The interpretation and historical context of word Aryan and Arya was thought provoking.
It is very possible, as he said that during the British rule the term was forged to divide the locals. Arya in Vedic context was not a race but Arya means Civilized/cultured etc. etc. in other words Vedic Arya is not the same as Aryan Race . Just like Dalla in South Asian is a bad word and Dallas is a City in Texas. The two should not be mixed together and we deduce that because Dalla live in Dallas Texas and hence the name. lol

I didn't have a problem with his perspective until he started "rationalizing" it with generalizations about our DNA

[Saad2016]

I didn't have a problem with his perspective until he started "rationalizing" it with generalizations about our DNA

How different are the ethnic groups ( South and North India) on an autosomal Spectrum which constitutes like 96 percent (22/23 chromosomes) of the human genome. My understanding is that a Tamil from the South and a Kapoor from the North are not that much different genetically speaking. If you pick up like 100 different ethnicities from around the world and check them for closest affinity with one another, North and South Indian will be on the same spectrum.

[Mandoos]

How different are the ethnic groups ( South and North India) on an autosomal Spectrum which constitutes like 96 percent (22/23 chromosomes) of the human genome. My understanding is that a Tamil from the South and a Kapoor from the North are not that much different genetically speaking. If you pick up like 100 different ethnicities from around the world and check them for closest affinity with one another, North and South Indian will be on the same spectrum.

it is similar, but you can also delineate origins with genetic analysis. this guy makes it seem like its an either or scenario between accepting a controversial theory or acting plain ignorant/inaccurately dumbing things down saying "our dna is the same" just to be inclusive.

If they put a little effort into understanding what they use as facts they would have made a better argument. This whole "argument" is invalid when they realize the theory is in line with migrations not invasions

[poi]

How different are the ethnic groups ( South and North India) on an autosomal Spectrum which constitutes like 96 percent (22/23 chromosomes) of the human genome. My understanding is that a Tamil from the South and a Kapoor from the North are not that much different genetically speaking. If you pick up like 100 different ethnicities from around the world and check them for closest affinity with one another, North and South Indian will be on the same spectrum.

it is similar, but you can also delineate origins with genetic analysis. this guy makes it seem like its an either or scenario between accepting a controversial theory or acting plain ignorant/inaccurately dumbing things down saying "our dna is the same" just to be inclusive.

I'm with mandoos here. There is a clear cline in ancestry for most of the groups, so the core components were same/similar but with various proportions. There are additional components for some that pull them either significantly off that cline or just a bit, depending on the additional admixture events. Frequency of unilineals, particularly patrilineal alone doesn't paint an accurate picture.

Tldr we're all the same, but we're different at the group level.we can run g25 on individual groups to see what formal stats indicate.

The only question now, at the macro level, is the admixture date(s) for various components. That tells us about the migration history as well as the intermingling among various components. Btw, new data will turn up new components, so we will rinse and repeat.

[pegasus]

How different are the ethnic groups ( South and North India) on an autosomal Spectrum which constitutes like 96 percent (22/23 chromosomes) of the human genome. My understanding is that a Tamil from the South and a Kapoor from the North are not that much different genetically speaking. If you pick up like 100 different ethnicities from around the world and check them for closest affinity with one another, North and South Indian will be on the same spectrum.

Tamil Brahmins to a certain degree, esp in terms of a global PCA, but if your talking about the lay people in the country side , definitely not.

edit : I looked at the global PCA and the difference is more varied , that Khatri typically plot between Sindhi and Kalash.

Roughly speaking to put it in perspective the distance between Piramalai (typical SI type group) and the Khatri is akin to Ethiopian highlanders and Algerian Mozabites ie its significant.

I would place the Khatri , Kohistani more like an intermediate group between regular NW South Asian clusters and SC Asian clusters.