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    Aryan vs Dravidians - A Myth by Dr. Dr. Subramanian Swamy

    A very interesting talk :


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    This joker talks bunkum for most part. I wouldn't even bother opening the link.
    Whatever his argument, he has an axe to grind.

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    where are India's brains hiding. lol this is harder to watch than Mike Pence arguing against evolution being studied

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahuls77 View Post
    This joker talks bunkum for most part. I wouldn't even bother opening the link.
    Whatever his argument, he has an axe to grind.
    "The Festival of Bharat" <-- Kinda gives his agenda way lol

    Quote Originally Posted by Mandoos View Post
    where are India's brains hiding. lol this is harder to watch than Mike Pence arguing against evolution being studied
    His nonsense on gay conversion therapy was even more cringeworthy lol
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    yaar, its his perspective . If there is a counter argument, present it discuss it like a gentleman. The interpretation and historical context of word Aryan and Arya was thought provoking.
    It is very possible, as he said that during the British rule the term was forged to divide the locals. Arya in Vedic context was not a race but Arya means Civilized/cultured etc. etc. in other words Vedic Arya is not the same as Aryan Race . Just like Dalla in South Asian is a bad word and Dallas is a City in Texas. The two should not be mixed together and we deduce that because Dalla live in Dallas Texas and hence the name. lol

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    This joker needs to read the Upanishads. Aryvarta is a real thing. Apologizes about the bad formatting.


    But in consequence of the omission of the sacred rites, and of their not consulting Brahmanas, the follo wing trib es of Kshatriy as ha v e gradually sunk in this w orld to the condition of Sudras; 44. (Viz.) the P aun- drak as, the Ko das, the Dra vidas, the Kam b ogas, the Y a- v anas, the Sak as, the P aradas, the P ahla v as, the Kinas, the Kiratas, and the Daradas. 45. All those trib es in this w orld, whic h are excluded from (the comm unit yof) those b orn from the mouth, the arms, the thighs, and the feet (of Brahman), are called Dasyus, whether they sp eak the language of the Mlekkhas (barbarians) or that of the Ary ans.


    F romaV rat y a (of the) Kshatriy a (caste), the Ghalla, the Malla, the Likkhivi, the Nata, the Karana, the Khasa, and the Dra vida.


    That (coun try) whic h (lies) b et w een the Hima- v at and the Vindh y a (moun tains) to the east of Pra y aga and to the w est of Vinasana (the place where the riv er Sarasv ati disapp ears) is called Madh y adesa (the cen tral region). 22. But (the tract) b et w een those t w o moun- tains (just men tioned), whic h (extends) as far as the eastern and the w estern o ceans, the wise call Ary a v arta (the coun try of the Ary ans). 23. That land where the blac kan telop e naturally roams, one m ust kno wto be t for the p erformance of sacri ces; (the tract) di eren t from that (is) the coun try of the Mlekkhas (barbarians). 24. Let t wice-b orn men seek to dw ell in those (ab o v e- men tioned coun tries); but a Sudra, distressed for subsis- tence, ma y reside an ywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saad2016 View Post
    yaar, its his perspective . If there is a counter argument, present it discuss it like a gentleman. The interpretation and historical context of word Aryan and Arya was thought provoking.
    It is very possible, as he said that during the British rule the term was forged to divide the locals. Arya in Vedic context was not a race but Arya means Civilized/cultured etc. etc. in other words Vedic Arya is not the same as Aryan Race . Just like Dalla in South Asian is a bad word and Dallas is a City in Texas. The two should not be mixed together and we deduce that because Dalla live in Dallas Texas and hence the name. lol
    I didn't have a problem with his perspective until he started "rationalizing" it with generalizations about our DNA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandoos View Post
    I didn't have a problem with his perspective until he started "rationalizing" it with generalizations about our DNA
    How different are the ethnic groups ( South and North India) on an autosomal Spectrum which constitutes like 96 percent (22/23 chromosomes) of the human genome. My understanding is that a Tamil from the South and a Kapoor from the North are not that much different genetically speaking. If you pick up like 100 different ethnicities from around the world and check them for closest affinity with one another, North and South Indian will be on the same spectrum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saad2016 View Post
    How different are the ethnic groups ( South and North India) on an autosomal Spectrum which constitutes like 96 percent (22/23 chromosomes) of the human genome. My understanding is that a Tamil from the South and a Kapoor from the North are not that much different genetically speaking. If you pick up like 100 different ethnicities from around the world and check them for closest affinity with one another, North and South Indian will be on the same spectrum.
    it is similar, but you can also delineate origins with genetic analysis. this guy makes it seem like its an either or scenario between accepting a controversial theory or acting plain ignorant/inaccurately dumbing things down saying "our dna is the same" just to be inclusive.

    If they put a little effort into understanding what they use as facts they would have made a better argument. This whole "argument" is invalid when they realize the theory is in line with migrations not invasions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saad2016 View Post
    How different are the ethnic groups ( South and North India) on an autosomal Spectrum which constitutes like 96 percent (22/23 chromosomes) of the human genome. My understanding is that a Tamil from the South and a Kapoor from the North are not that much different genetically speaking. If you pick up like 100 different ethnicities from around the world and check them for closest affinity with one another, North and South Indian will be on the same spectrum.
    Tamil Brahmins to a certain degree, esp in terms of a global PCA, but if your talking about the lay people in the country side , definitely not.

    edit : I looked at the global PCA and the difference is more varied , that Khatri typically plot between Sindhi and Kalash.

    Roughly speaking to put it in perspective the distance between Piramalai (typical SI type group) and the Khatri is akin to Ethiopian highlanders and Algerian Mozabites ie its significant.

    I would place the Khatri , Kohistani more like an intermediate group between regular NW South Asian clusters and SC Asian clusters.
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