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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    PCA diagrams may not cover everything, but it is a well known fact that Europeans are more homogeneous than South Asians. That was the point Khana was showing. Even if he expands the Europe red square to cover all groups, it will still be much smaller than the South Asian red rectangle.

    It may seem like I'm pimping the tool, but check the CheckFits for various European groups/samples and again for the South Asians. The European fit distances are much closer, relatively speaking.

    http://185.144.156.77:3000/checkfit.html
    Also not all the South Asian groups are included in the red square on the left. Look at the Bonda, Kusunda, and MP clusters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Censored View Post
    Also not all the South Asian groups are included in the red square on the left. Look at the Bonda, Kusunda, and MP clusters.
    True, at that point NE and SE Asias blend into South Asia lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poi View Post
    True, at that point NE and SE Asias blend into South Asia lol.
    That'd actually make the box really big if we add them too. Which would further show how diverse we are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    the red square for europe is not accurate . you left out quite a lot . there is italy , greece etc. in the south of the square which you didnt include
    NO to the contrary , its very accurate those population south of Khana's square are extinct populations ,relic populations like Sardinians , and Greek Islanders/Sicilians/ Southern Italians/Ashkenazi Jews who are significantly Levantine shifted , not the main population cluster in Europe

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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    NO to the contrary , its very accurate those population south of Khana's square are extinct populations ,relic populations like Sardinians , and Greek Islanders/Sicilians/ Southern Italians/Ashkenazi Jews who are significantly Levantine shifted , not the main population cluster in Europe
    greeks italians sardinians and balkans(as in "balkans" in the cluster map) are europeans and should be included . but ok .... I just wanted to tell him in case he didnt see it and forgot to include them .....go on with your topic discussion now instead of quoting my post one after the other
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    greeks italians sardinians and balkans(as in "balkans" in the cluster map) are europeans and should be included . but ok .... I just wanted to tell him in case he didnt see it and forgot to include them .....go on with your topic discussion now instead of quoting my post one after the other
    They are not the "MAIN" cluster, those Balkan profiles are from 4000-6000 years ago, I think you thought they are moderns. You are making incorrect statements so you are being corrected, once that stops no one could care less and no need for snarky comments dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magnetic View Post
    greeks italians sardinians and balkans(as in "balkans" in the cluster map) are europeans and should be included . but ok .... I just wanted to tell him in case he didnt see it and forgot to include them .....go on with your topic discussion now instead of quoting my post one after the other
    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    They are not the "MAIN" cluster, those Balkan profiles are from 4000-6000 years ago, I think you thought they are moderns. You are making incorrect statements so you are being corrected, once that stops no one could care less and no need for snarky comments dude.
    The majority of the profiles are older samples (in the Balkan line off the main cluster), but I think there are a few moderns (in the adjacent line that contains mostly Jewish populations), like some Greeks, Italians, and Turks and such.
    Either way, I think everyone got the idea, it was a quick illustration of the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
    They are not the "MAIN" cluster, those Balkan profiles are from 4000-6000 years ago, I think you thought they are moderns. You are making incorrect statements so you are being corrected, once that stops no one could care less and no need for snarky comments dude.
    what snarky comments ? I was just pointing out that he forgot to add some more into the square like for example very obviously the italian abbruzo etc. . I said it because I thought he might have overseen it by accident and might want to correct it . it didnt last long until 2 of you quoted me and tried to lecture me about "muh doiversity" even though my comment didnt have anything to do with it . thats all

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    The majority of the profiles are older samples (in the Balkan line off the main cluster), but I think there are a few moderns (in the adjacent line that contains mostly Jewish populations), like some Greeks, Italians, and Turks and such.
    Either way, I think everyone got the idea, it was a quick illustration of the point.
    it's ok I just wanted to help ....
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    Quote Originally Posted by khanabadoshi View Post
    The majority of the profiles are older samples (in the Balkan line off the main cluster), but I think there are a few moderns (in the adjacent line that contains mostly Jewish populations), like some Greeks, Italians, and Turks and such.
    Either way, I think everyone got the idea, it was a quick illustration of the point.
    I think you covered like 85% of Europe within the area you marked. Other than some Bulgarians, Canarians, South Italians and Greeks at the edge of the square, the rest were mostly ancients and the most Levantine shifted South Euros (some South Italians and Island Greeks) who weren't in the square as pegasus noted.
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    Not going to quote, but it would be pretty difficult to chat in an online forum without quoting the statements. Probably sound like a mad man ranting about stuff(my post probably appears like that unless you read the post I should have quoted).

    Accidentally left the part about the PCA and NE and SE Asia's relation to South Asian history. I ran a model trying to discern those groups within South Asian pops, but lost the screenshot. The model used was Korea+KinhVietnam along with the BA pops that are needed for South Asians. Nmonte preferred Koreans exclusively for Kusunda and Tharu at 50% and the rest was SiS3+Dzhakutan. They have a few outliers that also needed Sintashta. The outlying Tharu had 0 Korean/Vietnam btw.
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