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    Quote Originally Posted by Mykhailo View Post
    Can you try this combination or something similar:

    Latvia Northeastern
    Turkish Istanbul
    Spain Canarias
    Morocco North
    Iranian
    Komi
    Here are the results:

    distance%: 1.02

    Latvian 62.92
    Turkish_Istanbul 31.85
    Moroccan_North 3.15
    Komi 2.08

    The Canarias and Iranian weren't picked. I added Ukrainian to the mix and the distance improved markedly:

    distance%: 0.66

    Ukrainian 78.13
    Latvian 14.66
    Turkish_Istanbul 7.21

    It seems like you need some other northeast Euro reference in the model like that.
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    Hello
    Would you mind running mine as well please ?
    I do have predominantly Alpine , north Italian ancestry and Iberian too
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by mec_venitien View Post
    Hello
    Would you mind running mine as well please ?
    I do have predominantly Alpine , north Italian ancestry and Iberian too
    Thanks

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    Yes, but I need unscaled Eurogenes G25 coordinates. I am counting 36 coordinates in your set, so I am guessing you got K36 coordinates from Lukas or some other source. If you have G25 coordinates, please post them and, if not, you would first need to purchase them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    Dad:

    distance%: 0.07

    German 21.58
    Belgian 13.32
    Irish 12.69
    French 10.13
    Ashkenazi_Jew 7.69
    Dutch 6.03
    Sardinian 5.0
    Portuguese 4.91
    English 3.57
    Basque_Spanish 3.49
    Scottish 3.18
    Czech 2.55
    Swedish 2.48
    French_South 2.47
    Mbuti 0.72
    Mlabri 0.18

    Mom:

    distance%: 0.36

    Armenian 14.8
    Greek_Trabzon 13.09
    Cypriot 12.55
    Assyrian 10.63
    Samaritan 10.25
    Tunisian_Jew 8.22
    Sephardic_Jew 6.6
    Lebanese_Christian 6.59
    Druze 5.32
    Italian_Jew 3.79
    Yemenite_Al_Jawf 2.9
    Ethiopian_Tigray 2.54
    Palestinian 2.21
    Biaka 0.51
    And now, the combo, if you please

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Dewsloth,0.0096,0.0139,-0.0016,-0.0081,0.0042,-0.0025,0.0029,-0.0015,0.0019,0.0062,-0.0004,-0.0023,-0.0023,-0.001,0.0055,0.0019,-0.0001,-0.0012,0.0033,0,-0.003,0.003,-0.001,0.0064,0.0001
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    And now, the combo, if you please

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Dewsloth,0.0096,0.0139,-0.0016,-0.0081,0.0042,-0.0025,0.0029,-0.0015,0.0019,0.0062,-0.0004,-0.0023,-0.0023,-0.001,0.0055,0.0019,-0.0001,-0.0012,0.0033,0,-0.003,0.003,-0.001,0.0064,0.0001
    distance%: 0.2

    Italian_Abruzzo 13.67
    Belgian 12.73
    Cypriot 12.51
    Dutch 12.34
    French 9.64
    Samaritan 9.52
    Armenian 8.76
    Egyptian 7.06
    Turkish_Kayseri 3.51
    Assyrian 3.1
    Portuguese 2.94
    Irish 2.91
    Biaka 1.31

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    Dad:

    distance%: 0.07

    German 21.58
    Belgian 13.32
    Irish 12.69
    French 10.13
    Ashkenazi_Jew 7.69
    Dutch 6.03
    Sardinian 5.0
    Portuguese 4.91
    English 3.57
    Basque_Spanish 3.49
    Scottish 3.18
    Czech 2.55
    Swedish 2.48
    French_South 2.47
    Mbuti 0.72
    Mlabri 0.18

    Mom:

    distance%: 0.36

    Armenian 14.8
    Greek_Trabzon 13.09
    Cypriot 12.55
    Assyrian 10.63
    Samaritan 10.25
    Tunisian_Jew 8.22
    Sephardic_Jew 6.6
    Lebanese_Christian 6.59
    Druze 5.32
    Italian_Jew 3.79
    Yemenite_Al_Jawf 2.9
    Ethiopian_Tigray 2.54
    Palestinian 2.21
    Biaka 0.51
    Me:
    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    distance%: 0.2

    Italian_Abruzzo 13.67 OOPS!
    Belgian 12.73
    Cypriot 12.51
    Dutch 12.34
    French 9.64
    Samaritan 9.52
    Armenian 8.76
    Egyptian 7.06
    Turkish_Kayseri 3.51
    Assyrian 3.1
    Portuguese 2.94
    Irish 2.91
    Biaka 1.31
    I wonder if fragments of the "missing" German and Ashkenazi (& Mom's "Sephardic") get interpreted as Abruzzo?


    Edit -- Abruzzo looks like a potential genetic catch-all:
    After the fall of the Roman Empire, there were a string of invasions and rulers in the region, including the Lombards, Byzantines, Muslims, and Hungarians. Between the 9th and 12th centuries, the region was dominated by the popes. Subsequently, the Normans took over, and Abruzzo became part of the Kingdom of Sicily, later the Kingdom of Naples. Spain ruled the kingdom from the sixteenth to the eighteenth centuries. The French Bourbon dynasty took over in 1815, establishing the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, and ruled until Italian unification (also known as the Risorgimento[16]) in 1860.
    Last edited by Dewsloth; 05-14-2019 at 08:44 PM.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Edit -- Abruzzo looks like a potential genetic catch-all:
    Abruzzo is actually quite southern plotting in that they certainly plot south of both mainland Greeks and central Italians, they are well within the "eastern Mediterranean" spectrum even if on the periphery of it. I could easily see how you might model them as Sicilian with 10-15% German or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    Yes, but I need unscaled Eurogenes G25 coordinates. I am counting 36 coordinates in your set, so I am guessing you got K36 coordinates from Lukas or some other source. If you have G25 coordinates, please post them and, if not, you would first need to purchase them.
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    Can i run please for me and my Dad
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    @Randwulf, you can do custom ancient run for me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Me:


    I wonder if fragments of the "missing" German and Ashkenazi (& Mom's "Sephardic") get interpreted as Abruzzo?


    Edit -- Abruzzo looks like a potential genetic catch-all:
    I tried a custom model for you (your full spreadsheet model only had a "sense" of your general types and was way over fit, more than some do). I had Ashkenazi in the model (and a few other references), but it built your model with just this:

    distance%: 0.55

    Lebanese_Christian 37.39
    German 36.86
    Lebanese_Druze 15.34
    Scottish 10.4

    If I add Sephardic, it turns into this:

    distance%: 0.51

    German 29.91
    Lebanese_Christian 20.2
    Lebanese_Druze 16.67
    Sephardic_Jew 15.21
    Scottish 14.04
    Lebanese_Muslim 3.97

    Anything else you would like to try?

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