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    Eurogenes Global 25 Full Moderns Spreadsheet Runs with Gradient Descent Algorithm

    I see that ph2ter is being requested to run G25 tests with the full moderns. My intent to expose the Gradient Descent algorithm on a web page has not come to fruition, though the basic routine is functional. So, in the mean time, this thread is an offer to run your unscaled G25 coordinates through the algorithm as I have time. I have a lot of your PCA coordinates already, but I won't presume you want me to run them and post them. If you know I have them, you can just ask for the results and I will run them.

    If you are interested in how the process works, here is something you can read:

    https://towardsdatascience.com/machi...t-366b77b52645

    I want to note that this will produce an over-fit model, just like nMonte does. And, some will go a bit wild with it. Many will find a good starting point with some clues that you can take with you to poi's WebRunner tool or to your R setup where it may help to finish a custom model using nMonte, which is a more mature tool for this at this point in time. Think of the results as an alternative input to your modeling process.

    Here are my family results with the most recent spreadsheet that I downloaded 12/09/2018 and extracted just the moderns plus I added the extra Ashkenazi panel that David posted a while back as I found it helpful in picking out an Ashkenazi percentage for those of my family that have Ashkenazi one-to-one matches on Gedmatch without adding it to those who don't (that doesn't mean it won't do that for you, though - I am observing from five results plus a few others that I have tested):

    Me:

    distance%: 0.32

    French 36.0
    Dutch 18.38
    Basque_Spanish 13.83
    Irish 9.06
    Hungarian 6.49
    Belgian 6.15
    French_South 4.96
    Scottish 3.25
    Yakut 1.15
    Mbuti 0.47
    Ju_hoan_North 0.26

    Dad:

    distance%: 0.36

    German 25.31
    French 24.05
    Belgian 23.0
    Portuguese 9.76
    Russian_Tver 5.37
    English_Cornwall 4.79
    Ashkenazi_Jew 2.56
    Irish 2.15
    Khanty 2.09
    Ju_hoan_North 0.91

    Mom:

    distance%: 0.31

    Irish 25.92
    French 23.92
    Dutch 19.8
    Slovakian 6.76
    Sardinian 5.98
    Polish 5.96
    Austrian 5.22
    French_South 4.46
    German 1.09
    Biaka 0.59
    Sudanese 0.3

    Wife:

    distance%: 0.12

    Dutch 28.23
    French 19.82
    Scottish 9.53
    German 9.3
    Irish 7.56
    Belgian 6.88
    English_Cornwall 5.9
    Spanish_Aragon 4.57
    Ashkenazi_Jew 2.33
    Udmurt 2.07
    Norwegian 1.99
    Portuguese 1.82

    Father in law:

    distance%: 0.42

    Irish 29.94
    English_Cornwall 24.47
    German 13.77
    English 8.78
    Ashkenazi_Jew 7.73
    Dutch 7.26
    Icelandic 4.52
    Belgian 3.25
    Mbuti 0.29
    Last edited by randwulf; 01-05-2019 at 03:15 PM.

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    You're welcome to run mine and post it.

    Unscaled:
    Code:
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    Last edited by PoxVoldius; 01-05-2019 at 03:23 PM. Reason: just realized only unscaled coordinates were needed
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    Can you run my father's and mine please?
    I had yours running while I was typing the first post!

    firemonkey:

    distance%: 0.34

    Irish 45.04
    Scottish 22.77
    Icelandic 15.42
    English 7.21
    Dutch 5.74
    Orcadian 1.67
    Igorot 1.38
    Ju_hoan_North 0.76

    firemonkey father:

    distance%: 0.56

    Scottish 20.42
    English 19.37
    Orcadian 17.48
    Irish 16.68
    Dutch 13.48
    Czech 4.85
    Swedish 4.56
    Igorot 2.13
    Portuguese 0.54
    BedouinB 0.49

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    Can you run my data, Randwulf? Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoxVoldius View Post
    You're welcome to run mine and post it.

    Unscaled:
    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25 
    PV,0.0108,0.0126,0.0161,0.0142,0.0149,0.0062,0.0012,0.0046,0.0039,0.0003,-0.0032,0.0016,-0.0038,-0.0008,0.0124,-0.0031,-0.0132,0.0045,0.0031,0.0013,0.0037,0.0021,-0.0013,0.0054,-0.0008
    Yours went a little nuts, but you may be able to make it useful. It seems to happen with those that are a bit mixed. I think many of the populations are in the ballpark of your signature, though:

    distance%: 0.15

    Dutch 14.46
    Orcadian 13.43
    German 13.12
    Belarusian 10.19
    Scottish 8.57
    Belgian 8.25
    Irish 7.17
    Basque_Spanish 6.02
    Swedish 4.83
    English 3.47
    Polish 2.92
    Finnish 2.73
    Basque_French 2.02
    French 1.15
    Spanish_Pais_Vasco 1.12
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh 0.28
    Ju_hoan_North 0.25
    Russian_Tver 0.03

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radboud View Post
    Can you run my data, Randwulf? Cheers!

    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
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    distance%: 0.8

    Norwegian 24.0
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    Irish 12.93
    English_Cornwall 11.14
    Dutch 7.35
    Swedish 5.93
    Icelandic 5.79
    French 4.66
    Latvian 1.94
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    edit:
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    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
    DewslothMom,0.008,0.0138,-0.0134,-0.0245,-0.0045,-0.0097,0.0017,-0.0042,0.0003,0.0034,0.0035,-0.0023,0.001,-0.0008,-0.003,0.0048,0.0042,-0.0006,-0.0017,-0.0017,-0.0029,0.004,-0.0018,0.002,-0.0002
    Last edited by Dewsloth; 01-05-2019 at 03:52 PM.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

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    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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