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    Quote Originally Posted by Chatzianastasoglou View Post
    Could you run mine, too, please?

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    ChristosA,0.0107,0.0143,0.0036,-0.0087,0.0083,-0.0035,0.0024,-0.0003,-0.001,0.0101,0.0019,0.0061,-0.0031,0.0039,-0.0113,0.0018,0.0055,0.0004,0.0061,-0.0077,-0.0074,-0.0029,-0.0013,0.0044,-0.0065
    Here are the results with all of the modern references:

    distance%: 0.56

    Albanian 44.45
    Italian_Tuscan 17.48
    Greek 17.32
    Cypriot 8.09
    Sardinian 4.76
    Igorot 3.58
    Portuguese 2.21
    Macedonian 1.36
    Mbuti 0.74

    If you want a custom run, just let me know which references to include.

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    Thank you very much!

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    Here is the full moderns spreadsheet result. Just let me know which references you want me to include if you want a custom run:

    distance%: 0.36

    Macedonian 37.45
    Assyrian 18.62
    Sardinian 7.43
    Russian_Tver 6.88
    Maltese 6.75
    Adygei 5.62
    Altaian 5.35
    Georgian_Jew 5.2
    BedouinB 3.69
    Armenian 1.71
    Papuan 0.58
    Ju_hoan_North 0.49
    Mbuti 0.22
    Thank you. It's very accurate and meaningful. Why?

    Because i am Balkan Turk.

    Balkan genes+Anatolian genes+Turk genes+Mediterranean genes.

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    Certainly seems interesting. If you are able to, can you run my dad and me?

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    Frost_Dad,0.0063,-0.0041,-0.0306,0.0323,-0.0192,0.0198,0.0026,0.0038,0.0158,0.0065,-0.0027,-0.0033,0.0002,-0.0041,0.0019,-0.0102,-0.0107,0,-0.0021,-0.0027,0.0005,-0.0003,0.0026,0.0024,0.0034

    Frost,0.0047,-0.0042,-0.0321,0.0337,-0.0189,0.0206,0.002,0.0056,0.0155,0.0077,-0.0055,-0.0023,0.0018,-0.0065,0.0018,-0.0047,-0.0001,-0.0084,-0.0074,0.0042,-0.0028,0.0015,-0.0017,0.0031,-0.0012

    Thanks!
    Last edited by FrostAssassin0701; 02-10-2019 at 11:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FrostAssassin0701 View Post
    Certainly seems interesting. If you are able to, can you run my dad and me?

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    Frost_Dad,0.0063,-0.0041,-0.0306,0.0323,-0.0192,0.0198,0.0026,0.0038,0.0158,0.0065,-0.0027,-0.0033,0.0002,-0.0041,0.0019,-0.0102,-0.0107,0,-0.0021,-0.0027,0.0005,-0.0003,0.0026,0.0024,0.0034

    Frost,0.0047,-0.0042,-0.0321,0.0337,-0.0189,0.0206,0.002,0.0056,0.0155,0.0077,-0.0055,-0.0023,0.0018,-0.0065,0.0018,-0.0047,-0.0001,-0.0084,-0.0074,0.0042,-0.0028,0.0015,-0.0017,0.0031,-0.0012

    Thanks!
    Full spreadsheet:

    Dad:

    distance%: 0.51

    Gujarati 16.34
    Iyer 14.08
    Hakkipikki 12.78
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh 11.83
    Brahmin_Gujarat 9.67
    Gond 7.73
    Ror 6.81
    Udmurt 6.43
    Irish 6.06
    Relli 3.48
    Kohistani 2.93
    Biaka 1.14
    Selkup 0.68
    Punjabi_Jat 0.03
    North_Kannadi 0.02

    You:

    distance%: 0.74

    Chamar 28.12
    Ror 26.58
    Brahmin_Gujarat 13.98
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh 13.65
    Gond 8.46
    Saharawi 3.47
    Mari 2.67
    Kusunda 2.13
    Biaka 0.93
    Burusho 0.02

    For a custom run, just let me know the limited references you would like to use and I will run again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    Full spreadsheet:

    Dad:

    distance%: 0.51

    Gujarati 16.34
    Iyer 14.08
    Hakkipikki 12.78
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh 11.83
    Brahmin_Gujarat 9.67
    Gond 7.73
    Ror 6.81
    Udmurt 6.43
    Irish 6.06
    Relli 3.48
    Kohistani 2.93
    Biaka 1.14
    Selkup 0.68
    Punjabi_Jat 0.03
    North_Kannadi 0.02

    You:

    distance%: 0.74

    Chamar 28.12
    Ror 26.58
    Brahmin_Gujarat 13.98
    Brahmin_Uttar_Pradesh 13.65
    Gond 8.46
    Saharawi 3.47
    Mari 2.67
    Kusunda 2.13
    Biaka 0.93
    Burusho 0.02

    For a custom run, just let me know the limited references you would like to use and I will run again.
    Quote Originally Posted by FrostAssassin0701 View Post
    Certainly seems interesting. If you are able to, can you run my dad and me?

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    Frost_Dad,0.0063,-0.0041,-0.0306,0.0323,-0.0192,0.0198,0.0026,0.0038,0.0158,0.0065,-0.0027,-0.0033,0.0002,-0.0041,0.0019,-0.0102,-0.0107,0,-0.0021,-0.0027,0.0005,-0.0003,0.0026,0.0024,0.0034

    Frost,0.0047,-0.0042,-0.0321,0.0337,-0.0189,0.0206,0.002,0.0056,0.0155,0.0077,-0.0055,-0.0023,0.0018,-0.0065,0.0018,-0.0047,-0.0001,-0.0084,-0.0074,0.0042,-0.0028,0.0015,-0.0017,0.0031,-0.0012

    Thanks!
    I told you that your dad has white European ancestry. The runs I posted on the g25 thread also showed this.

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    Randwulf,
    Can you do a targeted run for me?

    My known background is roughly 43% English, 6% French Canadian (Normandy originally) 12.5% Dutch/German (right on the Friesland NL and Lower Saxony border) 12.5% Swedish from Varmland Co and 25% Calabrian.


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    Thanks
    Last edited by digital_noise; 02-16-2019 at 07:00 PM.
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    Fit = 1.87
    NE England 47.5%
    IT Calabria 33.3%
    NL_Friesland 13.3%
    SV_Svealand 5.83%

    G25
    Fit=2.03
    Eng 61.67%
    IT South 30%
    Sweden 8.33%


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    Quote Originally Posted by digital_noise View Post
    Randwulf,
    Can you do a targeted run for me?

    My known background is roughly 43% English, 6% French Canadian (Normandy originally) 12.5% Dutch/German (right on the Friesland NL and Lower Saxony border) 12.5% Swedish from Varmland Co and 25% Calabrian.


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    ChrisDNA,0.0104,0.0139,0.0125,0.0067,0.0116,0.002, 0.0013,0.0007,0.0058,0.0018,-0.0057,0.0034,-0.0056,-0.0008,0.0048,-0.0076,-0.0104,0.0068,0.0089,-0.0084,0.0023,0.006,0.0016,0.0014,0.0013


    Thanks
    Those are some overlapping populations! I tried all of the various Isles references, plus all of the various Italian references, plus Dutch, Swedish, French, and German. A small number are picked by Gradient Descent to solve this and the German dominates:

    distance%: 0.79

    German 66.46
    Italian_Abruzzo 15.19
    Dutch 13.33
    Sardinian 5.03

    If I remove the Germans, I get this:

    distance%: 0.98

    Dutch 47.63
    Italian_Abruzzo 24.31
    Orcadian 8.7
    Swedish 8.49
    Italian_Bergamo 5.44
    Sardinian 3.44
    French 1.99

    It seems like the German references in the G25 set represent enough variety to cover things like much of the Dutch, French, English, and Swedish type of background with just some extra Dutch needed to cover the more northerly pull in the mix. The Italian background is "built" from Abruzzo and Sardinian, primarily, though in the second model some North Italian (Bergamo) gets picked. I tried quite a few combinations, but there doesn't seem to be a way to use the entire reference set and get some of the various Germanics to separate, because of the general overlap.

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    lol, tell me about it! I've been struggling with this in G25. either the Swedish gets eaten up, the English goes away if dutch is present...thanks for giving it a go.

    Interestingly, I think this might be why I am getting more "German" in Ancestry and 23 and Me, by an additional 10% at times...
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    SV_Svealand 5.83%

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    IT South 30%
    Sweden 8.33%


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    Quote Originally Posted by randwulf View Post
    Those are some overlapping populations! I tried all of the various Isles references, plus all of the various Italian references, plus Dutch, Swedish, French, and German. A small number are picked by Gradient Descent to solve this and the German dominates:

    distance%: 0.79

    German 66.46
    Italian_Abruzzo 15.19
    Dutch 13.33
    Sardinian 5.03

    If I remove the Germans, I get this:

    distance%: 0.98

    Dutch 47.63
    Italian_Abruzzo 24.31
    Orcadian 8.7
    Swedish 8.49
    Italian_Bergamo 5.44
    Sardinian 3.44
    French 1.99

    It seems like the German references in the G25 set represent enough variety to cover things like much of the Dutch, French, English, and Swedish type of background with just some extra Dutch needed to cover the more northerly pull in the mix. The Italian background is "built" from Abruzzo and Sardinian, primarily, though in the second model some North Italian (Bergamo) gets picked. I tried quite a few combinations, but there doesn't seem to be a way to use the entire reference set and get some of the various Germanics to separate, because of the general overlap.
    Very nice results.

    Would you mind doing the same for me?

    Known ancestry :
    50% Swedish(Central+North).
    37.5% North Tuscan.
    12.5% North Swedish(Around half of it Saami)

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