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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopfjäger View Post
    Lol looks like Willem Dafoe hit hard times.
    I agree. For a group that was likely healthier than their Neolithic predecessors, his face looks a little too thin/wasted. Maybe the real guy was a little more Conor McGregor like.
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    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
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    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    I am glad he is not R1b-U152.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cascio View Post
    I am glad he is not R1b-U152.
    Fratello, what's that supposed to mean!? lol

    Did he get any calls for L21?
    Maternal grandfather (MDKA: Johannes Nicholas Schaefer, Germany) - yDNA: R1b-U106+, mtDNA: T2
    Maternal grandmother (MDKA: Angelina Centrella, Avellino, Campania, Italia) - mtDNA: HV4a1


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopfjäger View Post
    Fratello, what's that supposed to mean!? lol

    Did he get any calls for L21?
    No, no calls for L21.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kopfjäger View Post
    Fratello, what's that supposed to mean!? lol

    Did he get any calls for L21?
    No, no calls for L21 nor L459. No call for P312 for that matter.
    Paternal: R1b-U152 >> L2 >> FGC10543, Pietro della Rocca, b. 1559, Agira, Sicily, Italy
    Maternal: H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b. ~1864, Galicia, Spain
    Mother's Paternal: J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b. 1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
    Father's Maternal: T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
    Paternal Great (x3) Grandfather: R1b-U106 >> L48 >> CTS2509, Filippo Ensabella, b.~1836, Agira, Sicily, Italy

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
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    A number of strands of evidence discussed on this Beaker thread have suggested that there is genetic, archaeological and linguistic evidence for a migration route bypassing the Carpathians on the north, presumably within the very broad province of the Corded Ware culture (see the second screen shot), that may have been the vector for the (slightly later) preponderance of R1b-L11 and its major subclades in the Bell Beaker horizon. Like "Yamnaya," the term "Corded Ware" encompasses a wide range of archaeologically attested sites that have much in common, putatively including YDNA (especially R1a, for Corded Ware)...

    But the sites are not uniformly spread throughout the turquoise-shaded territory on the map. There are pockets, and there are local or regional variations in the mostly material culture elements observed among those pockets. This has been discussed a little, here, for Corded Ware (e.g., the wide variety of local orientations of male and female bodies in their graves). The same pattern of dispersion and variation also characterizes Yamnaya sites; but the local/regional variants of Yamnaya have been discussed hardly at all.
    Replying to myself -- I know, it's tacky -- but the new publication I'm citing is not about aDNA, and I was just looking for someplace to call attention to it. This is such a place, I'm sure there are others. The lead authors (Baron et al) have only been mentioned once on Anthrogenica, and that thread has long since been closed on account of incivility. So anyhow, here's an interesting new piece about variation within contemporaneous Corded Ware burial practices. Inter alia it has a nice map of Corded Ware sites in southwestern Poland, placing the Magnice site (discussed in the new paper) within its immediate cultural/geographical context. I wasn't able to capture the abstract text as a usable digital file, so I just took a screen shot of it.

    https://www.academia.edu/38771392/Di...ork_card=title

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    Quote Originally Posted by R.Rocca View Post
    Interestingly there is a difference in male/female acceptance/adoption of AOO even within different Single Grave Culture zones.

    Erik Drenth (2015) A Single Grave Culture burial at Groenlo (province of Gelderland, NL)

    In Moravian Corded Ware there is a similar pattern where Danubian handled pitchers and undecorated beakers of the Begleitkeramik type are only found in female graves.
    I'm posting here about a new(ish) paper, because the two sites in question didn't produce any aDNA to study (one had cremated remains, and the other just a silhouette of the corpse); and I'm linking Rocca's post because he discussed earlier work by the same archaeologist. More generally, in February this thread hosted a good bit of discussion about evidence of violence in early Bell Beaker sites. The 2018 paper is by Erik Drenth: The burial of victims of violence? The Bell Beaker grave from Ede-Ginkelse Heide, the Netherlands. I read it at this academia link: https://www.academia.edu/39094492/MI...ard=view-paper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huijbregts View Post
    The WHG in the W_Eurasian dataset are four of the points above cluster 4. There are too few of them to get their own density cluster.
    They left varying degree of admixture in later European populations. Most plausibly thru the Western Neolithic group (cluster 2), but possible also thru Baltic_BA (cluster 9).
    It is possible that in the European supercluster the WHG rich groups might be in the upper part of the cluster, but that is very speculative.
    Have you access to the Ertebølle genome? The one from the "chewing gum" paper?
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