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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    Cimmerians were Black Sea people who are sometimes associated with Kelts. We also do see some early branches of Y-R1a1-Z93 in Britain.
    Ah cool! My Y haplogroup is R1a-Z93, well Z94 actually, but I see Z93 bit just before that.

    Thanks for the info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RixDNA View Post
    Hi everyone! All 4 of my grandparents were from Punjab, Jatt/Tarkhan mix. Do I have a recent ancestor from the UK/Scandinavia? Is it part of the British Empire occupation?

    I have 10.9% Celtic/British DNA from MyHeritage, although only 2% FTDNA and 8%from Mediterranean (possibly ancient Celt?), on GEDmatch consistently around 6-8% Atlantic. Of these GEDmatch calculators 5-10% Celtic/British DNA it’s sometimes called things like Irish, Scottish, Cornwall, Denmark, Sweden, Norway. In addition I also separately get around 10-12% North East Euro and around 3% Mediterranean on top of the North Atlantic component, but I know NE Euro is to be expected in Punjabis from perhaps an early migration.

    So a recent British ancestor?
    Thanks!

    DODECAD V3 RESULTS
    Population
    East_European 5.02 Pct
    West_European 13.60 Pct
    Mediterranean 7.17 Pct
    Neo_African -
    West_Asian 20.30 Pct
    South_Asian 44.72 Pct
    Northeast_Asian 2.68 Pct
    Southeast_Asian 3.67 Pct
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 2.84 Pct
    Northwest_African -
    Palaeo_African -
    Aaronbee explained really well, it's ancient steppe. I'm fully Tarkhan:

    Population
    East_European 8.82
    West_European 11.97
    Mediterranean 5.48
    Neo_African -
    West_Asian 20.67
    South_Asian 44.16
    Northeast_Asian 3.44
    Southeast_Asian 3.68
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 1.36
    Northwest_African 0.41
    Palaeo_African


    Here's my myheritage:

    Attachment 28206

    Simply put we were too racist towards british to mix. Also keep in mind Punjab was conquered last, and India got it's independence not long after that.
    Last edited by MonkeyDLuffy; 01-07-2019 at 09:35 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RixDNA View Post
    Maybe you didn’t inherit the Baltic genes from your father, but your sister did? Could it be possible, as we don’t always inherit the same 50% dna from the same parent?

    Thanks for highlighting the bit about steppe dna, I’d not digested it properly but am understanding things better now. I also misunderstood you, as I assumed you were completely ruling any recent DNA out, apologies.

    I think I am getting disillusioned though. I love history and was excited to learn of my supposed varied history of ancestors and living in Britain, have always loved Celtic art and culture, and felt a closer connection when I got those results, even if that sounds dumb. Oh well.
    Maybe it’s from a long time ago, given that multiple GEDmatch calculators come up with population admixtures results that include that region?

    I guess it’s safe to say we at least have some genes from other tribes like Scythians? But I know that could’ve been from 2000 years ago.

    Other questions to all:
    Is DNA Land useful/accurate for South Asian raw data?
    Is FTDNA ancient origins useful/accurate for South Asians?

    Thanks.
    Your first point is potentially a possibility, however its more likely that there's overlap between the reference Baltic and Celtic samples MyHeritage uses for their analysis. Modern day Europeans are heavily mixed together, so this is no surprise. Also, the chances of me not inheriting any Baltic DNA from my dad (if this was true) would be slim.

    No need to apologise bro, maybe what I said before could've been worded better.

    I can't completely rule out any recent DNA from Britain as I don't possess ancestral records, however all the evidence I have in my possession suggests that this is not the case. Its just good practice to make a conclusion from the evidence available, that's all.

    I think the GEDmatch reference populations from Europe all possess a degree of the PC-Steppe that is very prevalent in Punjabis. We definitely have Euro DNA, just ancient Euro DNA. Sorry to hear your disappointment, but you don't need to have a genetic connection to them to admire their culture I'm personally more interested in cuisine than art, and I have a keen interest on the cuisine of various cultures, particularly South and East Asian food. I'm also a fan of Mexican food despite hailing from England

    I think we do have some Scythian DNA, however I'm not the best person to ask when it comes to specifics! I'm mainly knowledgeable on (Y-DNA and mtDNA to a lesser extent).

    EDIT: South Asians here generally don't have a good opinion of DNA.Land. FTDNA's ancientOrigins mainly focuses on ancient Europe. Whether that's useful to a South Asian is entirely subjective.

    Quote Originally Posted by RixDNA View Post
    Ah cool! My Y haplogroup is R1a-Z93, well Z94 actually, but I see Z93 bit just before that.

    Thanks for the info.
    R1a-Z93 is the most common Y-DNA in India, especially North India. I'm not sure about Ramgarhias, but Jatts have around 35-40% R1a-Z93 (mostly R1a-Y7). Whats your mtDNA?
    Last edited by aaronbee2010; 01-07-2019 at 10:26 PM. Reason: See above
    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R2a2b1b2a1a1-Y1383*

    YFull Line (From R-M207):

    M207+ ---> M479+ ---> M124+ ---> P267+ ---> Y12100+ ---> Y8763+ ---> Y8766+ ---> V3714+ ---> SK2142+ ---> Y1377+ ---> Y1379+ ---> Z29271+ ---> Y1383+ -X-> Y154917-

    Important Y-DNA negatives (within R2a-M124): L295-, Y5080-, L1069-, F1092-, L288-, L263-

    Extra mtDNA rCRS mutations: 207A, (315.1C), (523-), (524-), 2404C, 6150A, 8898T, 9755A, 15433T

    FTDNA Kit: IN41220

    GEDmatch Kit (MyHeritage): KC4074281

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    Simply put we were too racist towards british to mix. Also keep in mind Punjab was conquered last, and India got it's independence not long after that.
    I completely agree, Jatts and Ramgarhias were way too proud to mix with the British back then (their pride still exists now). Any 1/2 British 1/2 Jatt/Ramgarhia people wouldn't have been able to find a willing spouse to pass their genes on with. There may have been extremely rare exceptions though, but this applies to the vast majority of cases.
    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R2a2b1b2a1a1-Y1383*

    YFull Line (From R-M207):

    M207+ ---> M479+ ---> M124+ ---> P267+ ---> Y12100+ ---> Y8763+ ---> Y8766+ ---> V3714+ ---> SK2142+ ---> Y1377+ ---> Y1379+ ---> Z29271+ ---> Y1383+ -X-> Y154917-

    Important Y-DNA negatives (within R2a-M124): L295-, Y5080-, L1069-, F1092-, L288-, L263-

    Extra mtDNA rCRS mutations: 207A, (315.1C), (523-), (524-), 2404C, 6150A, 8898T, 9755A, 15433T

    FTDNA Kit: IN41220

    GEDmatch Kit (MyHeritage): KC4074281

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    Your first point is potentially a possibility, however its more likely that there's overlap between the reference Baltic and Celtic samples MyHeritage uses for their analysis. Modern day Europeans are heavily mixed together, so this is no surprise. Also, the chances of me not inheriting any Baltic DNA from my dad (if this was true) would be slim.

    No need to apologise bro, maybe what I said before could've been worded better.

    I can't completely rule out any recent DNA from Britain as I don't possess ancestral records, however all the evidence I have in my possession suggests that this is not the case. Its just good practice to make a conclusion from the evidence available, that's all.

    I think the GEDmatch reference populations from Europe all possess a degree of the PC-Steppe that is very prevalent in Punjabis. We definitely have Euro DNA, just ancient Euro DNA. Sorry to hear your disappointment, but you don't need to have a genetic connection to them to admire their culture I'm personally more interested in cuisine than art, and I have a keen interest on the cuisine of various cultures, particularly South and East Asian food. I'm also a fan of Mexican food despite hailing from England

    I think we do have some Scythian DNA, however I'm not the best person to ask when it comes to specifics! I'm mainly knowledgeable on (Y-DNA and mtDNA to a lesser extent).



    R1a-Z93 is the most common Y-DNA in India, especially North India. I'm not sure about Ramgarhias, but Jatts have around 35-40% R1a-Z93 (mostly R1a-Y7). Whats your mtDNA?
    I'm R1a Y7. Although R1a is not common among Tarkhans, the ones are R1a are most likely Y7 like me.

    I'm curious about what side of his is Jatt and what side Tarkhan. And if you can mention the Surnames that'd be cool.

    My paternal side is Kalyan, Maternal side is Sembhi. Paternal Grandmom is Rayat and Maternal Grandmom Siyan. Paternal great grandmom is Sohal.
    Last edited by MonkeyDLuffy; 01-07-2019 at 09:55 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    I'm R1a Y7. Although R1a is not common among Tarkhans, the ones are R1a are most likely Y7 like me.

    I'm curious about what side of his is Jatt and what side Tarkhan. And if you can mention the Surnames that'd be cool.

    My paternal side is Kalyan, Maternal side is Sembhi. Paternal Grandmom is Rayat and Maternal Grandmom Siyan. Paternal great grandmom is Sohal.
    I remember following your YSEQ results from the R1a panel you purchased. I wish you would test for Y31 though, it's a shame YSEQ didn't include Y31 in their tree, however you're negative for the subclades below Y31, and your final result is directly above Y31.
    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R2a2b1b2a1a1-Y1383*

    YFull Line (From R-M207):

    M207+ ---> M479+ ---> M124+ ---> P267+ ---> Y12100+ ---> Y8763+ ---> Y8766+ ---> V3714+ ---> SK2142+ ---> Y1377+ ---> Y1379+ ---> Z29271+ ---> Y1383+ -X-> Y154917-

    Important Y-DNA negatives (within R2a-M124): L295-, Y5080-, L1069-, F1092-, L288-, L263-

    Extra mtDNA rCRS mutations: 207A, (315.1C), (523-), (524-), 2404C, 6150A, 8898T, 9755A, 15433T

    FTDNA Kit: IN41220

    GEDmatch Kit (MyHeritage): KC4074281

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    Here's an average of my results and MonkeyDLuffys results, to give you something to compare to (assuming you're 50% Jatt and 50% Ramgarhia):

    Population
    East_European 7.76
    West_European 14.53
    Mediterranean 6.27
    Neo_African 0.05
    West_Asian 22.06
    South_Asian 41.90
    Northeast_Asian 3.53
    Southeast_Asian 2.07
    East_African -
    Southwest_Asian 1.57
    Northwest_African 0.21
    Palaeo_African 0.08

    In terms of Steppe, the total (E_Euro + W_Euro + Med) of our average seems to exceed yours, and neither of us have any recent British admixture. I would guess you don't have any recent British admixture either. Again, I can't say that with 100% certainty, however it seems more likely than not.
    Last edited by aaronbee2010; 01-07-2019 at 10:20 PM.
    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R2a2b1b2a1a1-Y1383*

    YFull Line (From R-M207):

    M207+ ---> M479+ ---> M124+ ---> P267+ ---> Y12100+ ---> Y8763+ ---> Y8766+ ---> V3714+ ---> SK2142+ ---> Y1377+ ---> Y1379+ ---> Z29271+ ---> Y1383+ -X-> Y154917-

    Important Y-DNA negatives (within R2a-M124): L295-, Y5080-, L1069-, F1092-, L288-, L263-

    Extra mtDNA rCRS mutations: 207A, (315.1C), (523-), (524-), 2404C, 6150A, 8898T, 9755A, 15433T

    FTDNA Kit: IN41220

    GEDmatch Kit (MyHeritage): KC4074281

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronbee2010 View Post
    I remember following your YSEQ results from the R1a panel you purchased. I wish you would test for Y31 though, it's a shame YSEQ didn't include Y31 in their tree, however you're negative for the subclades below Y31, and your final result is directly above Y31.
    I'll get tested for y31 if you're sure about it. What's special about y31 though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonkeyDLuffy View Post
    I'll get tested for y31 if you're sure about it. What's special about y31 though?
    Nothing really xD it's just the only SNP that's on YFull but not YSEQ. Every other SNP below Z93 on YFull is also on the YSEQ tree, its literally just Y31. It doesn't seem like an especially important SNP but its just knowing I guess lol

    Its entirely up to you, but it would help me sleep at night
    Y-DNA (ISOGG 2019): R2a2b1b2a1a1-Y1383*

    YFull Line (From R-M207):

    M207+ ---> M479+ ---> M124+ ---> P267+ ---> Y12100+ ---> Y8763+ ---> Y8766+ ---> V3714+ ---> SK2142+ ---> Y1377+ ---> Y1379+ ---> Z29271+ ---> Y1383+ -X-> Y154917-

    Important Y-DNA negatives (within R2a-M124): L295-, Y5080-, L1069-, F1092-, L288-, L263-

    Extra mtDNA rCRS mutations: 207A, (315.1C), (523-), (524-), 2404C, 6150A, 8898T, 9755A, 15433T

    FTDNA Kit: IN41220

    GEDmatch Kit (MyHeritage): KC4074281

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    aaronbee2010 yes, 50% mother, 50% father.

    I’m wondering, does that Dodecad calculator show any British percentage from the population sharing estimates? Mine’s from line 13. Is this also a case of miss-labelling the Steppe dna?

    Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 70.2% Indian (Dodecad)+ 29.8% Stalskoe (Xing) 1.19
    2 62.5% GIH (HapMap) + 37.5% Stalskoe (Xing) 2.02
    3 74.1% AP_Brahmin (Xing)+ 25.9% Urkarah (Xing) 2.21
    4 60.1% Pathan (HGDP) + 39.9% Vaish (Reich) 2.4
    5 51.9% Stalskoe (Xing) + 48.1% Irula (Xing) 2.48
    6 73.2% AP_Brahmin (Xing)+ 26.8% Stalskoe (Xing) 2.64
    7 68.7% Pathan (HGDP) + 31.3% AP_Brahmin (Xing) 2.72
    8 82.1% Pathan (HGDP) + 17.9% AP_Mala (Xing) 2.75
    9 82.5% Pathan (HGDP) + 17.5% Chenchu (Reich) 2.77
    10 81.6% Pathan (HGDP) + 18.4% Madiga (Reich) 2.77
    11 76.4% Pathan (HGDP) + 23.6% Lodi (Reich) 2.84
    12 74.7% Pathan (HGDP) + 25.3% Tharu (Reich) 2.85
    13 95.5% Pakistani (Xing) + 4.5% Irish (Dodecad) 2.93
    14 74% TN_Brahmin (Xing) + 26% Stalskoe (Xing) 2.94
    15 64.9% INS (SGVP) + 35.1% Stalskoe (Xing) 2.96
    16 79.5% Meghawal (Reich)+ 20.5% Urkarah (Xing) 2.97
    17 95.5% Pakistani (Xing) + 4.5% Cornwall (1000 Genomes) 2.98
    18 95.5% Pakistani (Xing) + 4.5% British (Dodeca)2.99
    19 81.1% Pathan (HGDP) + 18.9% Bhil (Reich). 2.99
    20 95.5% Pakistani (Xing) + 4.5% British_Isles (Dodecad) 3

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