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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    You mean Western Pakistan is a part of Greater Iran so they have more Steppe?
    no i never meant that and I never said that. i just said what Western Pakistan means in Pakistan . When we Pakistanis say Western Pakistan we mean part of country that is on Iranian Plateau and not in Indian Subcontinent( Punjab/Sindh/kashmir). Thats how we divide our country i am sure you guys also divide India into different parts for convenience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by passion View Post
    no i never meant that and I never said that. i just said what Western Pakistan means in Pakistan . When we Pakistanis say Western Pakistan we mean part of country that is on Iranian Plateau and not in Indian Subcontinent( Punjab/Sindh/kashmir). Thats how we divide our country i am sure you guys also divide India into different parts for convenience.
    Okay, it's just weird how you mentioned it. Anyway, I ran the stats and seems like no mainstream Pakistani ethnicity matches the Rors and Haryana Jats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Okay, it's just weird how you mentioned it. Anyway, I ran the stats and seems like no mainstream Pakistani ethnicity matches the Rors and Haryana Jats.
    are rors mainstream?

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    Quote Originally Posted by passion View Post
    are rors mainstream?
    In 2012, the Jat population in India—mostly Hindus and Sikhs—was reported to be 82.5 million people (Chatterji, 2012). The last time the population was surveyed according to caste–in the 1931 Census of India–the Jats belonged to three main religions: Hinduism 47%, Islam 33%, and Sikhism 20% (Burdak, 2016).
    Here is a Haryana Jat-


    Model Sample Details Fit Map Gonur1 BA Naxi Shahr I Sokhta BA3 Sintashta MLBA
    1 Gonur1_BA +Naxi +Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 +Sintashta_MLBA UP_Jatt:jattsheoran_AGUser 2.2866 Open Map 23.33 1.67 35.83 39.17

    Definitely mainstream. For comparison.

    Punjab (Urdu, Punjabi: پنجاب‬, panj-āb, "five waters": listen (help. info)) is Pakistan's second largest province by area, after Balochistan, and its most populous province, with an estimated population of 110,012,442 as of 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Here is a Haryana Jat-


    Model Sample Details Fit Map Gonur1 BA Naxi Shahr I Sokhta BA3 Sintashta MLBA
    1 Gonur1_BA +Naxi +Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3 +Sintashta_MLBA UP_Jatt:jattsheoran_AGUser 2.2866 Open Map 23.33 1.67 35.83 39.17

    Definitely mainstream. For comparison.
    Ok this is significant population

    these are major ethnicities of Pakistan , "others" are basically Gilgit Baltistan groups mostly (shina , Wakhis etc).

    I consider all of them as major ethnic groups of the country.

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et...ps_of_Pakistan

    Punjabis (42.15%) 70.7 million
    Pashtuns (17.42%) 35.2 million
    Sindhis (14.1%) 24.8 million
    Seraikis (10.53%) 14.8 million
    Muhajirs (7.57%) 13.3 million
    Balochs is (3.57%) 6.3 million
    Others (4.66%) 11.1 million

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    Quote Originally Posted by passion View Post
    Ok this is significant population

    these are major ethnicities of Pakistan , "others" are basically Gilgit Baltistan groups mostly (shina , Wakhis etc).

    I consider all of them as major ethnic groups of the country.

    https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et...ps_of_Pakistan

    Punjabis (42.15%) 70.7 million
    Pashtuns (17.42%) 35.2 million
    Sindhis (14.1%) 24.8 million
    Seraikis (10.53%) 14.8 million
    Muhajirs (7.57%) 13.3 million
    Balochs is (3.57%) 6.3 million
    Others (4.66%) 11.1 million
    Rors are a smaller community but a lot of people consider them Jats. They control a few hundred villages in Haryana. I can't find their population numbers, genetically it's impossible to tell them apart from the Haryana Jats. Jats in India are a major community, they are a dominant community in rural India (Punjab, Haryana, some parts of UP, Rajasthan, Himachal).

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    Quote Originally Posted by passion View Post
    western Pakistan , generally corresponds to Balochistan, KPK, Fata and Gilgit Baltistan, roughly the portion that comes in that map of greater Iran. Apart from Balochs all communities are steppe rich in that region, and I am sure among some Northern Balochs high steppe like Pashtuns can be found

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Iran

    Gilgit Baltistan is part of greater Iran? I thought it was a part of Jammu and Kashmir? I think in India it is considered as part of Jammu and Kashmir (Pakistan controlled territory) if I am not wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laltota View Post
    Gilgit Baltistan is part of greater Iran? I thought it was a part of Jammu and Kashmir? I think in India it is considered as part of Jammu and Kashmir (Pakistan controlled territory) if I am not wrong.
    It just means it is not part of Indian plate (but part of Eurasian/iranian plate) ,map I used of Greater Iran was to explain things in easier manner to readers but looks like it has caused some confusion among you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agent_lime View Post
    Rors are a smaller community but a lot of people consider them Jats. They control a few hundred villages in Haryana. I can't find their population numbers, genetically it's impossible to tell them apart from the Haryana Jats. Jats in India are a major community, they are a dominant community in rural India (Punjab, Haryana, some parts of UP, Rajasthan, Himachal).
    cool, never heard of them until now, looks like a cool bunch. There is some haryana origin population among muhajirs that migrated at partition from India , would be interesting to see how they score.

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    This study has the advantage that it incorporates the aDNA data from the Narasimhan et al and other recent papers.
    Does no one else find this peculiar? If they incorporated aDNA data from the Narasimhan and potentially Damgaard paper, why were Khatris included but not the Sikh counter parts to Hindu Jaats? They should be very relevant. This would have also been a good opportunity to get some of their individual data.
    I4285 I4285 1873-1661 calBCE (343025 BP, PSUAMS-2536) BMAC Sappali_Tepe_BA Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan U7a3 L1a
    I5604 I5604 1880-1697 calBCE (346520 BP, PSUAMS-2774) BMAC Bustan_BA Bustan Uzbekistan K1a1 L1a
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