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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    If right AASI sample added this changes very much
    These numbers are with the AASI proxy. There is no actual AASI sample.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parasar View Post
    These number are with the AASI proxy. There is no actual AASI sample.
    there is some very old Asi mixed Sarayu brahmin in those samples. No one I saw does have a proxy or a sample to isolate it. SSO captures part of it when used with SIS BA3. BUT more scietific closer proxies or real samples are missing. Due to hot weather & cremation habits we don't have any old DNA in whole of India.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Some patels & marvadis have significant Steppe admix some subcastes have a recent high of it. The others have Steppe but it is older.
    Some but few relatively speaking, compared to groups like nairs where they all have some.

    Also I’m referring to MLBA as was said in an aforementioned thread.

    All groups in India have a degree of genotypic diversity. Patel’s are no different. Same is true of marwadis. Patel occasionally is a Brahmin surname. Marwadis from what I know tend to cluster. Rajputs and Rajasthani Brahmins are entirely different groups. I highly doubt many marwadis have significant steppe admix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 26284729292 View Post
    Some but few relatively speaking, compared to groups like nairs where they all have some.

    Patel occasionally is a Brahmin surname. Marwadis from what I know tend to cluster. Rajputs and Rajasthani Brahmins are entirely different groups. I highly doubt many marwadis have significant steppe admix.
    Only some subgroups may cluster with steppe there. Some groups of Patels have high steppe mix looks recent

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Only some subgroups may cluster with steppe there. Some groups of Patels have high steppe mix looks recent
    But which subgroups? I’m not discounting that some have a little, or maybe more than that, but they do not characterize the group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    Only some subgroups may cluster with steppe there. Some groups of Patels have high steppe mix looks recent
    Please post the nMonte runs. If you include SIS BA3, most Gujarati Patels shouldn't need additional Steppe and only negligible amounts for those that do. However, Patel (Patidar) is a title and it is used by non Leva or Kadva Patels on occasion (including Brahmins).
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    I4285 I4285 1873-1661 calBCE (3430±25 BP, PSUAMS-2536) BMAC Sappali_Tepe_BA Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan U7a3 L1a
    I5604 I5604 1880-1697 calBCE (3465±20 BP, PSUAMS-2774) BMAC Bustan_BA Bustan Uzbekistan K1a1 L1a
    I6667 I6667 1497-1413 calBCE (3170±20 BP, PSUAMS-2998) Parkhai_LBA_o Parkhai_LBA_o Parkhai II Turkmenistan HV2a
    I6669 I6669 3082-2909 calBCE (4365±25 BP, PSUAMS-2950) Parkhai_EN Parkhai_EN Parkhai II Turkmenistan HV2
    I4899 I4899 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan_BA Bustan Uzbekistan R0 J

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapporo View Post
    Please post the nMonte runs. If you include SIS BA3, most Gujarati Patels shouldn't need additional Steppe and only negligible amounts for those that do. However, Patel (Patidar) is a title and it is used by non Leva or Kadva Patels on occasion (including Brahmins).
    We can try a general run. We probably need a clean list of components to make sure nothing is being shunted.

    I did some general runs and I was able to get IVC pop steppe down to around 3%. I think the more telling indication is the ratio of Saidu outlier to Udegram IA. Saidu outlier does contain tiny steppe though.

    In IVC populations, they vastly prefer saidu O. Which is an indication of ethnogenesis from non steppe rich pops.

    The cline can best be modeled as:
    IA+ steppe (NW), Favoring IA +AASI, Favoring IVC+AASI, AASI

    More so than steppe amounts, this to me best represents the distinct layers/cline.
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    Do a run with those populations and use SIS BA3, Sintashta and Gonur 1 BA. SSo is like 50% AASI, 8% Sintashta and 42% Iran N.
    I4285 I4285 1873-1661 calBCE (3430±25 BP, PSUAMS-2536) BMAC Sappali_Tepe_BA Sappali Tepe Uzbekistan U7a3 L1a
    I5604 I5604 1880-1697 calBCE (3465±20 BP, PSUAMS-2774) BMAC Bustan_BA Bustan Uzbekistan K1a1 L1a
    I6667 I6667 1497-1413 calBCE (3170±20 BP, PSUAMS-2998) Parkhai_LBA_o Parkhai_LBA_o Parkhai II Turkmenistan HV2a
    I6669 I6669 3082-2909 calBCE (4365±25 BP, PSUAMS-2950) Parkhai_EN Parkhai_EN Parkhai II Turkmenistan HV2
    I4899 I4899 1600-1300 BCE BMAC Bustan_BA Bustan Uzbekistan R0 J

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    Removed myself from this run to avoid distracting:

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