Any one H-CTS8144CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 under H-Z5888 ?

[tipirneni]

Currently under H-CTS8144 CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 under H-Z5888 there are 2 Telugu samples categorized from UK.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-Z5888/

Any one matched for it ? I am also Telugu matched under this branch.



There is also another CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 branch under https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z697/ (R1b RL52) but it is mostly Atlantic people primarly Spanish/Portugal/French. Don't know what is the relation between these two banches ?

[tipirneni]

I am placed under following in Yseq

H-M69 -> H-M82 -> SK1225 -> H-Z5888 -> H-Z5890 -> H-CTS8144 [CTS8144/PF1741/M5498] -> Z34531 (H1a1a4b3b1a8~)

[Jatt1]

Currently under H-CTS8144 CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 under H-Z5888 there are 2 Telugu samples categorized from UK.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/H-Z5888/

Any one matched for it ? I am also Telugu matched under this branch.



There is also another CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 branch under https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z697/ (R1b RL52) but it is mostly Atlantic people primarly Spanish/Portugal/French. Don't know what is the relation between these two banches ?

Same SNP mutation occurring in two or more haplogroups is considered misleading and is always ignored also it is called a junk SNP, but would still be very useful in the same haplogroup.

[tipirneni]

The closest branches on H1a1a4b shown as a tree

[tipirneni]

The above tree looks like was done at ebc.ee/free_data by Luca Pagani group


The Kshatriya 1 is from Jaunpur, Uttar Pradesh. It is probably a sample from the earlier paper that had bunch of closely clustered Kshatriyas of mostly Chandel origin from Jaunpur regions primarily of R2a haplogroup.

[tipirneni]

H-Z5890 (H1a1a4b3b1a) branch consists of H-CTS8144CTS8144/PF1741/M5498 and H-Z5891

As shown in the diagram above H-Z5890 consists of

ITU
GIH
STU
BEB
Kshatriya

also from other sources

Arain
Kanaya
Andhras like Kamma, Reddy, Kapu
Goa
Karnataka
West Bengal

H-Z5891 consists of Saudi, Middle east, UK, Swiss, STU, Punjab Christian etc..

[tipirneni]

Under H-Z5890 there is a Swiss (Baumgartner), an European (Wormley) and Saudi (Ramadan) listed in FTDNA. The European name Wormley looks like a German origin and shows up as H-FT306627. These matches are not Romany branch of H-M82 but on H-Z5890. Looking at the mutation distances there are a bunch of Saudi seem to be pretty close probably within H-Z5890. There are also few Levi close but probably fall under H-Z5891.

https://archives.upenn.edu/exhibits/...george-wormley

[tipirneni]

The Srilankan match also is probably H-Z5890 due to very close with the above matches is from Karava caste. http://karava.org/home which is said to be ancient Kuru and Chola royals who moved to Srilanka during Iron Age. There is another Nadar match which is close to H-Z5890 mutation wise but don't know if it is recent Srilankan tamil or Tamil match. One probable Kanaya sample seem to be close to the Nadar.

Few North Indians like Dubey, Yadav, Sarup, Sen, Comilla Chowdhury, Faizabad/Ayodhya dt, Thakur etc... are also mutation wise seem to be H-Z5890

There are also few English sounding names which are close to European matches. There are bunch of central Asians, also Thai and Indonesia

This wide distribution at TMRCA of 4300 YBP and presence of related up branch in Gonur BA, Shahr-e-Sokhte probably indicates BA era wide dispersal in ancient trade routes which existed until Medieval age before the arrival of European powers.

[tipirneni]

Since the terminal clades for H-M82 were not all sequenced, but the Y67 etc.. are done, I did a spearman correlation chart of some nearby matches to shows following clusters

Cluster1 - Pak Gujjar, some Central Asian matches, Tamil Nadar, Srilankan Karava, Karnataka Bhatt, Achrya, Mangal, Kesho, Shinde
Cluster1 is closest to Cluster2 and 3

Cluster2 - Pak Abbotabad, Quraish, Pak match
Cluster 2 closest to cluster1 and 3

Cluster 3- Pak Warraich, Pak Ahmed, Pak Butt, Kuwait Al Obaidan, Saudi Labban, Saudi Kadiri, Tipirneni, Ayodya Yadav, Surat Mashruwala, Chennai Rajan, Bengal DhoyiSen, Balachandar, Kerala Ouseph, TN Subramanian, UK Fry, UK Burton, Nasir

Cluster3 closest to Cluster1 and 2

Cluster4 - GOa Periera, TN Marimuthu, Tamil Iyer, Thakur, Himachal Bhallu, Gupta, Srilankan Kumarakulasingham, Poovaiah, Bl Comilla CHowdhury etc...

CLuster5 - is not well formed has bunch of Roma matches, Israel, Arabs and some Indo Pak

[tipirneni]

Cluster5 has Samlal in separate subcluster wiith Al Ghazi, Dubey, Bihari Chaturi, Patel (probably Anjani), Anand, Sarup probably Khatris etc.. but the overall looks under H-M5875 & the Roma subcluster but not under H-M5885 which is probably the other clusters 1-4. However some of the Arab/ISraeli under H-m5889 seem to be in it