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    The Ahmed matches under Cluster3 shows up as Pakistani Warraich. I also see bunch of Ahmeds in MyHeritage too whereas the SNPs are from FTDNA. Some other place some of the Ahmeds listed as Arains
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
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    mtDNA:U2a1a2
    G25 Anc Dist 1.1 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 86.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o 5.2 ITA_Daunian 1.4 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 3.6 PAK_Saidu_S_H 3.6
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    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    H-Z5867<-J2b2

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    Updated some more. There are a bunch of Thai samples under H-Z5882, 9 and some upstream branches. Looks like these are not related to S Indian ones meaning they came from North.

    Mine forms a close grouping with Sengupta samples listed as DhoyiSen as ancestor and with Turkey Cetin, Saudi Labban, Mashruwala, Rajan, Butt, Burton, Fry and Ayodhya Yadav probably indicating post-Mauryan expansion and some kind of long distance trade. The Karnata yadu and Haihaya kings had Mummadi as the title sometimes to indicate 3rd ruler or for an accomplished ruler. The Karnataka Jainas also had Senas as their title. that probably explains the naming. https://www.wisdomlib.org/south-asia...doc219684.html


    The Tamil and Kerala samples form another nearby sub-cluster indicating divergence early on and the Punjab ones forming another group. Since we don't have y-dna info for the other important H-Z588* and 9* the groupings might rearrange a little bit once we get more samples
    Last edited by tipirneni; 08-27-2021 at 09:38 PM.
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
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    mtDNA:U2a1a2
    G25 Anc Dist 1.1 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 86.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o 5.2 ITA_Daunian 1.4 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 3.6 PAK_Saidu_S_H 3.6
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    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    So far seen following samples


    H-Z5861 H-Z5862 H-Z5864 H-Z5865 Kamma cluster
    H-Z5873 Kamma, Rajput
    H-Z5878 Kamma
    H-Z5870 Anjani-jat
    H-Z5882 Thai mon, Chauhan, Shinde(?)
    sk1225 H-M3038* UP Brahmin, vellalar, Telugu Brahmin, Iyer, Pawar(?)
    H-Z5883 Kamma
    H-Z5884 Rajput, Jain
    H-Z5885 Kamma, patels?
    h-z5887 Jain
    h-z5886 Gujarati
    h-z4542 Jain
    h-z5889 yuan-thai, k-thai, thai-mon
    h-z4407 central thai
    H-Z5890 Kamma, Velma, Telugu Niyogi Brahmin, Reddy, Arabs, SL-Tamils, Tamil (vellalar?), tamil naddar, Kerala Christian, Arain, Bengali (sengupta), Kashmir Butt, Yadav, Kachis, Rajput, Gujaratis, Turkey, Kuwait, Sinhala ....
    H-Z5891 Tamil, Punjabi christian, European matches, Israelis
    Last edited by tipirneni; 01-03-2022 at 02:31 PM.
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
    Medals->Hidden Content
    mtDNA:U2a1a2
    G25 Anc Dist 1.1 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 86.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o 5.2 ITA_Daunian 1.4 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 3.6 PAK_Saidu_S_H 3.6
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    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    H-Z5867<-J2b2

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    When the majority of samples under H-M82 were clustered using correlation of the markers many of the samples under the H-SK1225 seem to have cross linkages meaning there was close relationship or came from one core population prior to the recent mutations
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
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    mtDNA:U2a1a2
    G25 Anc Dist 1.1 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 86.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o 5.2 ITA_Daunian 1.4 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 3.6 PAK_Saidu_S_H 3.6
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    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    So far seen following samples

    H-Z5861 H-Z5862 H-Z5864 H-Z5865 Kamma cluster H3a1
    H-Z5867 Kamma, Telugu Brahmin
    H-PH Romanis
    H-Z5873 Kamma, Rajput
    H-Z5875 Kamma
    H-Z5878 Kamma
    H-Z5870 Anjani-jat
    H-M2914 Kamma
    H-M2853 Kamma
    H-Z14258 Siddu, Kamma, Pall Singh
    H-Z13871 Kamma
    H-Z5882 Thai mon, Jain, Chauhan, PK-JK, Shinde(?)
    H-SK1225 H-M3038* UP Brahmin, vellalar, Pureval, Telugu Brahmin, Iyer, Pawar(?)
    H-Z5883 Kamma
    H-Z5884 Rajput, Jain
    h-z5887 Jain
    H-Z4490 PK-JK, Pushto, Burushaki, Gujarat, Kamma, Uzbek, Turkey, Portugal
    h-z5886 Gujarati
    h-z4542 Jain
    H-y33651 Jharkhand tribals
    h-z5889 yuan-thai, k-thai, thai-mon
    h-z4407 central thai
    H-Z5890 Kamma, Velama, Arabs, SL-Tamils, Tamil (vellalar?), Kodava, Nair, Belgaum Lingayat, tamil naddar, Telugu Niyogi Brahmin, Reddy, Kapu, Kerala Christian, Arain, Bengali (sengupta), Kashmir Butt, Yadav, Kachis, Rajput, Gujaratis, Turkey, Kuwait, Sinhala ....
    H-Z5891 Tamil, Punjabi christian, European matches, Israelis
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
    Medals->Hidden Content
    mtDNA:U2a1a2
    G25 Anc Dist 1.1 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 86.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o 5.2 ITA_Daunian 1.4 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 3.6 PAK_Saidu_S_H 3.6
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    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipirneni View Post
    So far seen following samples

    H-Z5861 H-Z5862 H-Z5864 H-Z5865 Kamma cluster H3a1
    H-Z5867 Kamma, Telugu Brahmin
    H-PH Romanis
    H-Z5873 Kamma, Rajput
    H-Z5875 Kamma
    H-Z5878 Kamma
    H-Z5870 Anjani-jat
    H-M2914 Kamma
    H-M2853 Kamma
    H-Z14258 Siddu, Kamma, Pall Singh
    H-Z13871 Kamma
    H-Z5882 Thai mon, Jain, Chauhan, PK-JK, Shinde(?)
    H-SK1225 H-M3038* UP Brahmin, vellalar, Pureval, Telugu Brahmin, Iyer, Pawar(?)
    H-Z5883 Kamma
    H-Z5884 Rajput, Jain
    h-z5887 Jain
    H-Z4490 PK-JK, Pushto, Burushaki, Gujarat, Kamma, Uzbek, Turkey, Portugal
    h-z5886 Gujarati
    h-z4542 Jain
    H-y33651 Jharkhand tribals
    h-z5889 yuan-thai, k-thai, thai-mon
    h-z4407 central thai
    H-Z5890 Kamma, Velama, Arabs, SL-Tamils, Tamil (vellalar?), Kodava, Nair, Belgaum Lingayat, tamil naddar, Telugu Niyogi Brahmin, Reddy, Kapu, Kerala Christian, Arain, Bengali (sengupta), Kashmir Butt, Yadav, Kachis, Rajput, Gujaratis, Turkey, Kuwait, Sinhala ....
    H-Z5891 Tamil, Punjabi christian, European matches, Israelis
    where did u get these? what is your data source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shujauddin View Post
    where did u get these? what is your data source?
    I got big number of these from 23andme. Some from the FTDNA H1 and some from reddit and other online places, and published papers
    Y: H1a1a4b3b1a8 Yfull id-> YF83218
    Medals->Hidden Content
    mtDNA:U2a1a2
    G25 Anc Dist 1.1 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2 86.2 ITA_Sardinia_C_o 5.2 ITA_Daunian 1.4 VK2020_SWE_Gotland_VA 3.6 PAK_Saidu_S_H 3.6
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    Lactose Persistence rs3213871 rs4988243 rs4988183 rs3769005 rs2236783
    found -> DA125, Kangju

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