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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    I think the North/East German (as opposed to Swedish or Norwegian references) may well be a Saxon sign in English populations.
    Interesting thought, but why are the Anglo-Saxons in the graphic of Davidski ^^^ placed between the Norwegians and Swedes? So not opposed.....
    Last edited by Finn; 03-15-2019 at 10:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    Interesting thought, but why are the Anglo-Saxons in the graphic of Davidski ^^^ placed between the Norwegians and Swedes? So not not opposed.....
    Okay, a combination then.
    The Low German speakers leave Jutland and reside in Frisia, Britain and Germany.
    Norway + Sweden North Germanic speaking folks with less NE German (southwest Baltic) = later, post-Migration Period Scandinavian tourists?
    See map of Low German speaking region:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Okay, a combination then.
    The Low German speakers leave Jutland and reside in Frisia, Britain and Germany.
    Norway + Sweden North Germanic speaking folks with less NE German (southwest Baltic) = later, post-Migration Period Scandinavian tourists?
    See map of Low German speaking region:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German

    Thanks for the map (off the record: I speak Low German fluently myself, when I was at college one prof. stated you speak these language like a 80 years old man
    That's indeed a (my) core puzzle. I'm not fully sure if you can identify language speakers and processors of a certain language. Language is the most fluent one. Genetics are mostly slower.

    IMO we can't make any difference now between the Anglo-Saxons and Norway and Swedes. Swedes are presumably more Baltic than the Norwegians.
    Last edited by Finn; 03-16-2019 at 09:59 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Okay, a combination then.
    The Low German speakers leave Jutland and reside in Frisia, Britain and Germany.
    Norway + Sweden North Germanic speaking folks with less NE German (southwest Baltic) = later, post-Migration Period Scandinavian tourists?
    See map of Low German speaking region:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_German
    Aren't we in NW Europe (incl Scandinavia) all 'muted Bell Beakers'? Either admixed with some more HG and/or EEF?
    Last edited by Finn; 03-16-2019 at 08:51 AM.

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    Now I got the reports of both of my parents. I am trying to interpret the results but i am not so succesful

    First, the maps with reference populations are not identical between my parents, I was expecting that the reference samples in the map would locate to the same location wherein the chrosomosomes of the test sample are the only variables. But this is not the case.

    Second, i don't understand if the population breakdown has to be taken literally.

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    Cool stuff, some of my chromos.

    1 1 NL_Limburg 2.695421 2 Tirol 2.796287 3 Bayern 2.829885 4 NL_Zuid_Holland 2.840927 5 Swiss_German 2.865413 6 NL_Ashkenazy 2.878876 7 NL_Gelderland 2.909379 8 Baden-Württemberg 2.910551 9 NL_Noord-Holland 2.913476 10 GR_Thrace 2.942484
    5 1 Tirol 2.567720 2 IT_Veneto 2.815604 3 IT_Trentino 2.900546 4 IT_Bolzano 2.901333 5 Swiss_German 2.913604 6 FR_Swiss 2.917268 7 Sathmarer_Schwaben 2.925618 8 Baden-Württemberg 2.928496 9 GR_Vlach 2.933311 10 Thüringen 2.948438
    7 1 NL_Friesland 2.292132 2 Niedersachsen 2.367481 3 NL_Groningen 2.403936 4 NL_Gelderland 2.453776 5 Nordrhein-Westfalen 2.456794 6 Scotland 2.469106 7 Iceland 2.516107 8 NL_Overijssel 2.538601 9 Schleswig-Holstein 2.551576 10 Northern_Ireland 2.570200
    11 1 Ukraine_Chernivtsi 2.603433 2 Grenzmark 2.785902 3 PL_Central 2.789794 4 Czechs 2.794028 5 Slovenia 2.807732 6 Hungary 2.825194 7 Ukraine_Volhyn 2.829355 8 Croatia 2.845670 9 Austria 2.849577 10 Sudetenland 2.851709
    13 1 IT_Bolzano 2.378225 2 FR_North-East 2.487811 3 FR_Swiss 2.526704 4 FR_Central 2.574076 5 FR_Brittany 2.577044 6 FR_West 2.579060 7 FR_North-West 2.588104 8 Galicia 2.657960 9 FR_South 2.663075 10 Rheinland-Pfalz 2.674593
    15 1 Nieder-Schlesien 2.811025 2 Grenzmark 2.864701 3 Sachsen 2.884754 4 Thüringen 2.910648 5 Pommern 2.950815 6 NL_Overijssel 2.975296 7 Austria 2.978931 8 Ukraine_Western 2.979067 9 Oberland(Ost_Preussen) 2.979951 10 Ukraine_Chernivtsi 3.000607
    17 1 Tirol 2.365614 2 Baden-Württemberg 2.432408 3 NL_Limburg 2.486130 4 Swiss_German 2.491569 5 Saarland 2.589777 6 Rheinland-Pfalz 2.596303 7 IT_Veneto 2.604150 8 Thüringen 2.608670 9 Bayern 2.615411 10 SE_England 2.629259
    18 1 Nordrhein-Westfalen 2.931373 2 NL_Limburg 2.966768 3 Schleswig-Holstein 2.994892 4 NL_Gelderland 3.046061 5 NL_Noord-Holland 3.064798 6 NL_Drenthe 3.126439 7 Tirol 3.136457 8 Baden-Württemberg 3.145583 9 Saarland 3.149474 10 Swiss_German 3.152723
    20 1 Tirol 2.299015 2 FR_Swiss 2.538384 3 IT_Veneto 2.548382 4 IT_Trentino 2.554618 5 Swiss_German 2.576384 6 South-West_Romania 2.664379 7 South_Romania 2.670159 8 IT_Bolzano 2.685203 9 Macedonia_FYROM 2.688748 10 IT_Friuli 2.697701
    21 1 Neumark(East_Brandenburg) 2.928744 2 South-West_Romania 3.078422 3 Hungary 3.094956 4 Croatia 3.137238 5 Moldavia 3.150403 6 Bosniaks 3.161327 7 Zaporozhe_Cossacks 3.166708 8 Croats_BIH 3.175063 9 Sachsen 3.199176 10 Western_Serbians 3.200943
    22 1 Tirol 3.642648 2 NL_Limburg 3.646665 3 Bayern 3.729713 4 NL_Zuid_Holland 3.741832 5 Swiss_German 3.743040 6 NL_Gelderland 3.752067 7 NL_Noord-Holland 3.773815 8 NL_Noord-Brabant 3.777885 9 FR_North-East 3.793308 10 Schleswig-Holstein 3.805604




    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Another way of looking at Dad's mix with LM's tools:
    His Father - Rhine/Main German with Belgian (one grandmother with two Belgian parents) and Ashkenazi (one second great-grandfather with two Ashkenazi parents) minority ancestry
    His Mother - American colonial descent with mostly British but also pre-Revolution German, Swiss and a little French descent.

    No idea where this comes from:
    1. Cantabria (Cantabria 70.8 Asturias 12.4)
    13. Extremadura (País_Vasco 32, IT_Sardinia 30.4, Ukraine_Chernivtsi 23.4)


    South German/N. Italian mix (Bavarian - Father's side)
    7. Austria (Tirol 32, IT_Bolzano 26.8, Ukraine_Chernivtsi 21.8)
    9. Tirol (Tirol 65, IT_Trentino 18.2)
    12. IT_Bolzano (IT_Bolzano 79.8, Tirol 6.2)
    15. Swiss_Italian (Swiss_Italian 32.4, Sathmarer_Schwaben 31.4, GR_Ipeiros 16.8, IT_Tuscany 15.6)
    16. Tirol (Tirol 43.4, IT_Bolzano 22.4, IT_Veneto 15.4)
    17. Tirol (Tirol 61.8, IT_Tuscany 31.2)
    22. IT_Bolzano (Saarland 41.8, IT_Bolzano 41.6)

    Belgian:
    2. Walloons (Walloons 32, SV_Norrland 10.8, Norway_north 7)


    British (Mother's ancestors):
    10. Iceland (Ireland 46.3, Norway_north 13, Iceland 9.4, Finnish_Swede 7.2)
    18. NL_Overijssel (Ireland 51, Mari 19.4 ["Europe's Oldest Pagans*"], Lebanon_Christian 16.4)
    20. FR_West (Northern_Ireland 60.8, FR_Basque 18.6, Lebanon_Christian 18.6)


    Mix:
    5. Rheinland-Pfalz (Tirol 38.4, SW_England 22.2, NL_Noord-Brabant 22)


    North German/Dutch/maybe also some from British/Belgian? (could be from both parents)
    4. NL_Limburg (NL_Limburg 50, SV_Norrland 11, NL_Drenthe 6)
    6. Nordrhein-Westfalen (Nordrhein-Westfalen 56.4, NL_Friesland 14.4, Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen) 10.8)
    8. Nordrhein-Westfalen (Nordrhein-Westfalen 42.6, Neumark(East_Brandenburg) 23.8, Northern_Ireland 6.8)
    14. NL_Gelderland (NL_Gelderland 57.2, NL_Friesland 35.4)
    21. NL_Limburg (NL_Drenthe 62.8, Lebanon_Muslim 21)

    Ashkenazi?
    3. South-West_Romania (GR_Thrace 40.2, Croats_BIH 15.6, South-West_Romania 9.2, Sathmarer_Schwaben 8.8)
    11. GR_Thrace (Saarland 41.2, Jordan 21, Lebanon_Muslim 12, GR_Thrace 9.2)
    19. South-West_Romania (Ukraine_Kharkiv 52, IT_Bolzano 16.2, IQ_Kirkuk 13.8, Lebanon_Christian 8.8)


    The Ukrainian and/or Romanian may also be at least partly connected to Ashkenazi descent. I don't know.

    Saarland -- possible Frankish/Belgae/Gaul/Roman mix:

    Bolzano -- possible Celtic/Alpine/Germanic/North Italian mix:

    Sathmar Swabians -- Chronologically impossible, so the reference here is probably to the founding population from the Swabian/Alamannic areas of Wurttemburg. But it's interesting that he also gets some Romanian hits. are they because of this population or some other event?? Or (perhaps this is most likely) the Romanian + Wurttemburg makes the calculator think Sathmar Swabians

    Dad's full report: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pPi...r8l516cLK/view
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K16: German/Czech/Austrian 33%, French/Belgian 23%, Portuguese/Spanish 22%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 13%
    K36: German Rheinland-Pfalz 35%, French North West 27%, Spain 27%, Ireland 11%
    G25: German 40%, French 28%, Spanish 23%, Irish 9%
    K16: German 50%, French 19%, French East 9%, Spanish 8%

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    Quote Originally Posted by eolien View Post
    Now I got the reports of both of my parents. I am trying to interpret the results but i am not so succesful

    First, the maps with reference populations are not identical between my parents, I was expecting that the reference samples in the map would locate to the same location wherein the chrosomosomes of the test sample are the only variables. But this is not the case.

    Second, i don't understand if the population breakdown has to be taken literally.
    You have to make an interpretation indeed. And not take it literally.

    I also recently received the results of my father and mother. Both from the North Dutch area, although from a different subregion.

    What is evident for my mother is relative high Fennoscandian and Italian.

    My father is less exaggerated and has more North Sea and North Atlantic (what is quite average for North Dutch).

    This had the following effects on the outcomes.

    Finn Mom
    You see lots of results left of the Scandic, that's the high Fennoscandian.
    But also two results are even in the Swiss/ outmost North Italian cluster.


    Finn Dad
    You see lots or results above the NW German/ North Dutch and around the Isles.



    When we take it literally than my mother could have had Scandic and North Italian ancestry. I don't think so (no single evidence). I guess my mother has lots of hunter gartherer (Swifterbant and Ertebølle like, so close to the Fennoscandian component). And the Italian is also high in the Neolithic Farmer component. The roots of my mother lay in an old Funnelbeaker (TRB ) hotspot.

    In the case of my father could the Bell Beaker and/or the Anglo-Saxon influx. Seen his known ancestry not weird.

    In other words.
    Dad: more Germanic amount. Mom: more pre-Germanic amount.

    Hard proof: no. Good educated guess: yes.
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