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    Quote Originally Posted by firemonkey View Post
    Still getting an error message.
    I know...I'm extremely irritated at not being able to transfer my report to this site. How do you do it?

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    I just copied and pasted the link from the email (or maybe copied it from the browser address)
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    I just copied and pasted the link from the email (or maybe copied it from the browser address)
    I tried both...No go

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    May be this....
    Take your European flags and draw lines and the Dutch could be more or less in the middle
    So, do you take these chromosome analyses to be evidence of ancestry?

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    Another way of looking at Dad's mix with LM's tools:
    His Father - Rhine/Main German with Belgian (one grandmother with two Belgian parents) and Ashkenazi (one second great-grandfather with two Ashkenazi parents) minority ancestry
    His Mother - American colonial descent with mostly British but also pre-Revolution German, Swiss and a little French descent.

    No idea where this comes from:
    1. Cantabria (Cantabria 70.8 Asturias 12.4)
    13. Extremadura (PaŪs_Vasco 32, IT_Sardinia 30.4, Ukraine_Chernivtsi 23.4)


    South German/N. Italian mix (Bavarian - Father's side)
    7. Austria (Tirol 32, IT_Bolzano 26.8, Ukraine_Chernivtsi 21.8)
    9. Tirol (Tirol 65, IT_Trentino 18.2)
    12. IT_Bolzano (IT_Bolzano 79.8, Tirol 6.2)
    15. Swiss_Italian (Swiss_Italian 32.4, Sathmarer_Schwaben 31.4, GR_Ipeiros 16.8, IT_Tuscany 15.6)
    16. Tirol (Tirol 43.4, IT_Bolzano 22.4, IT_Veneto 15.4)
    17. Tirol (Tirol 61.8, IT_Tuscany 31.2)
    22. IT_Bolzano (Saarland 41.8, IT_Bolzano 41.6)


    Belgian:
    2. Walloons (Walloons 32, SV_Norrland 10.8, Norway_north 7)


    British (Mother's ancestors):
    10. Iceland (Ireland 46.3, Norway_north 13, Iceland 9.4, Finnish_Swede 7.2)
    18. NL_Overijssel (Ireland 51, Mari 19.4 ["Europe's Oldest Pagans*"], Lebanon_Christian 16.4)
    20. FR_West (Northern_Ireland 60.8, FR_Basque 18.6, Lebanon_Christian 18.6)


    Mix:
    5. Rheinland-Pfalz (Tirol 38.4, SW_England 22.2, NL_Noord-Brabant 22)


    North German/Dutch/maybe also some from British/Belgian? (could be from both parents)
    4. NL_Limburg (NL_Limburg 50, SV_Norrland 11, NL_Drenthe 6)
    6. Nordrhein-Westfalen (Nordrhein-Westfalen 56.4, NL_Friesland 14.4, Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen) 10.8)
    8. Nordrhein-Westfalen (Nordrhein-Westfalen 42.6, Neumark(East_Brandenburg) 23.8, Northern_Ireland 6.8)
    14. NL_Gelderland (NL_Gelderland 57.2, NL_Friesland 35.4)
    21. NL_Limburg (NL_Drenthe 62.8, Lebanon_Muslim 21)

    Ashkenazi?
    3. South-West_Romania (GR_Thrace 40.2, Croats_BIH 15.6, South-West_Romania 9.2, Sathmarer_Schwaben 8.8)
    11. GR_Thrace (Saarland 41.2, Jordan 21, Lebanon_Muslim 12, GR_Thrace 9.2)
    19. South-West_Romania (Ukraine_Kharkiv 52, IT_Bolzano 16.2, IQ_Kirkuk 13.8, Lebanon_Christian 8.8)


    The Ukrainian and/or Romanian may also be at least partly connected to Ashkenazi descent. I don't know.

    Saarland -- possible Frankish/Belgae/Gaul/Roman mix:
    The region of the Saarland was settled by the Celtic tribes of Treveri and Mediomatrici. The most impressive relic of their time is the remains of a fortress of refuge at Otzenhausen in the north of the Saarland. In the 1st century BC, the Roman Empire made the region part of its province of Belgica. The Celtic population mixed with the Roman immigrants. The region gained wealth, which can still be seen in the remains of Roman villas and villages.
    Roman rule ended in the 5th century, when the Franks conquered the territory. For the next 1,300 years the region shared the history of the Kingdom of the Franks, the Carolingian Empire and of the Holy Roman Empire.
    Bolzano -- possible Celtic/Alpine/Germanic/North Italian mix:
    During the gradual decline of the Romans' influence in the 7th century, Bavarian immigration took place and the first mention of a Bavarian ruler in Bolzano dates from 679.[11] At that time, the Bavarians named the nearby villages around Bolzano Bauzanum or Bauzana.[12] German populations have been present in the region of Tyrol since this time.
    Sathmar Swabians -- Chronologically impossible, so the reference here is probably to the founding population from the Swabian/Alamannic areas of Wurttemburg. But it's interesting that he also gets some Romanian hits. are they because of this population or some other event?? Or (perhaps this is most likely) the Romanian + Wurttemburg makes the calculator think Sathmar Swabians
    The Satu Mare Swabians or Sathmar Swabians[1][2] (German: Sathmarer Schwaben) are a German ethnic group in the Satu Mare region of Romania.[1] They are one of the few Danube Swabian subgroups that are actually Swabian,[1] and their dialect, Sathmar Swabian, is similar to other varieties of Swabian.
    Most were originally farmers in Upper Swabia who came to Partium (at the time Hungary, now Romania) during the East Colonisation in the 1700s.[1] Their principal settlements were Satu Mare (Sathmar), Carei (Karol), Petrești (Petrifeld),[1] and Foieni (Fienen), and they also inhabited Urziceni (Schinal), Căpleni (Kaplau), Tiream (Terem), Beltiug (Bildegg), Ciumești (Schamagosch), and Ardud (Erdeed).
    After the Second World War, many evacuated, migrated or were expelled to Germany.[2] Those that remain in Romania, along with other German-speaking groups in Romania, are represented in politics by the DFDR (Democratic Forum of Germans in Romania).
    References
    Monica Barcan, Adalbert Millitz, The German Nationality in Romania (1978), page 42: "The Satu Mare Swabians are true Swabians, their place of origin being Wurttemberg. They were colonized between 1712 and 1815. Their most important settlements are Satu Mare/Sathmar and Petresti/Petrifeld in North- West Romania."
    Dad's full report: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pPi...r8l516cLK/view
    Last edited by Dewsloth; 03-14-2019 at 05:37 PM.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    Quote Originally Posted by RVBLAKE View Post
    So, do you take these chromosome analyses to be evidence of ancestry?
    In the sense that the 'admixtures' in the chromosomes show similarities with the 'admixtures' of samples from different countries/ regions.

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    Closest distances per chromosome

    1. Tirol - 1.89
    2. Nordrhein-Westfalen - 2.19
    3. Walloons - 1.77
    4. Oberland (Western_ost_Preussen - 2.25
    5. Sachsen-Anhalt - 2.24
    6. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern - 2.12
    7. NL_Drenthe - 1.49
    8. Northern Ireland - 1.82
    9. SV_Norrland - 2.57
    10. Tirol - 2.74
    11. Mecklenburg-Vorpommern - 2.44
    12. FR_Brittany - 1.61
    13. NL_Noord Brabant - 3.05
    14. Norway_north - 2.49
    15. Nordrhein-Westfalen - 3.54
    16. NL_Groningen - 2.36
    17. Cantabria - 2.76
    18. Bayern - 1.77
    19. NL_Groningen - 2.47
    20. Ukraine_Chernivitsi - 2.33
    21. Scotland - 3.47
    22. Scotland - 3.26

    I suppose I can attempt to interpret the far Northern chromosomes as original Bell Beaker inheritance, the Southern German and French shifted chromosomes as denoting Celtic ancestry, but like with others, the East German correlation is more perplexing.
    LivingDNA: 97.6% British Isles, 2.4% Scandinavia. 45.1% Central England related.
    AncestryDNA: 53% England/Wales/NW Euro, 47% Ireland/Scotland

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dewsloth View Post
    Another way of looking at Dad's mix with LM's tools:
    His Father - Rhine/Main German with Belgian (one grandmother with two Belgian parents) and Ashkenazi (one second great-grandfather with two Ashkenazi parents) minority ancestry
    His Mother - American colonial descent with mostly British but also pre-Revolution German, Swiss and a little French descent.

    No idea where this comes from:
    1. Cantabria (Cantabria 70.8 Asturias 12.4)
    13. Extremadura (PaŪs_Vasco 32, IT_Sardinia 30.4, Ukraine_Chernivtsi 23.4)


    South German/N. Italian mix (Bavarian - Father's side)
    7. Austria (Tirol 32, IT_Bolzano 26.8, Ukraine_Chernivtsi 21.8)
    9. Tirol (Tirol 65, IT_Trentino 18.2)
    12. IT_Bolzano (IT_Bolzano 79.8, Tirol 6.2)
    15. Swiss_Italian (Swiss_Italian 32.4, Sathmarer_Schwaben 31.4, GR_Ipeiros 16.8, IT_Tuscany 15.6)
    16. Tirol (Tirol 43.4, IT_Bolzano 22.4, IT_Veneto 15.4)
    17. Tirol (Tirol 61.8, IT_Tuscany 31.2)
    22. IT_Bolzano (Saarland 41.8, IT_Bolzano 41.6)


    Belgian:
    2. Walloons (Walloons 32, SV_Norrland 10.8, Norway_north 7)


    British (Mother's ancestors):
    10. Iceland (Ireland 46.3, Norway_north 13, Iceland 9.4, Finnish_Swede 7.2)
    18. NL_Overijssel (Ireland 51, Mari 19.4 ["Europe's Oldest Pagans*"], Lebanon_Christian 16.4)
    20. FR_West (Northern_Ireland 60.8, FR_Basque 18.6, Lebanon_Christian 18.6)


    Mix:
    5. Rheinland-Pfalz (Tirol 38.4, SW_England 22.2, NL_Noord-Brabant 22)


    North German/Dutch/maybe also some from British/Belgian? (could be from both parents)
    4. NL_Limburg (NL_Limburg 50, SV_Norrland 11, NL_Drenthe 6)
    6. Nordrhein-Westfalen (Nordrhein-Westfalen 56.4, NL_Friesland 14.4, Oberland(western_Ost_Preussen) 10.8)
    8. Nordrhein-Westfalen (Nordrhein-Westfalen 42.6, Neumark(East_Brandenburg) 23.8, Northern_Ireland 6.8)
    14. NL_Gelderland (NL_Gelderland 57.2, NL_Friesland 35.4)
    21. NL_Limburg (NL_Drenthe 62.8, Lebanon_Muslim 21)

    Ashkenazi?
    3. South-West_Romania (GR_Thrace 40.2, Croats_BIH 15.6, South-West_Romania 9.2, Sathmarer_Schwaben 8.8)
    11. GR_Thrace (Saarland 41.2, Jordan 21, Lebanon_Muslim 12, GR_Thrace 9.2)
    19. South-West_Romania (Ukraine_Kharkiv 52, IT_Bolzano 16.2, IQ_Kirkuk 13.8, Lebanon_Christian 8.8)


    The Ukrainian and/or Romanian may also be at least partly connected to Ashkenazi descent. I don't know.

    Saarland -- possible Frankish/Belgae/Gaul/Roman mix:

    Bolzano -- possible Celtic/Alpine/Germanic/North Italian mix:

    Sathmar Swabians -- Chronologically impossible, so the reference here is probably to the founding population from the Swabian/Alamannic areas of Wurttemburg. But it's interesting that he also gets some Romanian hits. are they because of this population or some other event?? Or (perhaps this is most likely) the Romanian + Wurttemburg makes the calculator think Sathmar Swabians

    Dad's full report: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pPi...r8l516cLK/view
    Quote Originally Posted by Molfish View Post
    I suppose I can attempt to interpret the far Northern chromosomes as original Bell Beaker inheritance, the Southern German and French shifted chromosomes as denoting Celtic ancestry, but like with others, the East German correlation is more perplexing.
    I agree with Molfish, in NW Euro we all are Bell Beaker + .
    I mean the Northern BB, that are Single Grave/ Corded Ware heirs (see eurogenes blog). In k36 they show pretty 'modern NW Euro' results.
    During Bronze Age and later on they mingled with HG and Neolithic Framer (EEF) 'substrates'.
    See here the Davidski graphic, you see the shift from Dutch/ British BB to Norwegian, Anglo-Saxon and Swedes, with an higher amount of HG. And also somewhat more southwards BritishIA, France etc with somewhat heightened EEF (of course in both case the EEF and HG did rise compared to BB ).



    Like Dewsloth Dad and Molfish my mother has results that points to Tyrol/ outmost North Italy and also East German and other NE European results. I guess for someone with NW European roots the Tyrol/outmost Northern Italy results are due to somewhat heightened EEF. And the East German an NE European with somewhat higher HG. So NW + HG is a more Northeast Europe result. And NW+ EEF creates a more Tyrol result.
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    I think the North/East German (as opposed to Swedish or Norwegian references) may well be a Saxon sign in English populations.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112 (S17075-)

    Y-cousin: 6DRIF-23 (DF19>>Z17112+, S17075+)

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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    You guys seem to have a well grasp on this stuff i was wondering if you guys think the BEJA and YEMENITE JEW on my chromsome 3 could be real i show up as 3-6% horn of african in the gedmatch calculators and about 3 %middle eastern so also the beja and yemenite jew historically makes sense because the beja were apart of axum when it took over yemen im just dying to know ybehja.PNG
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