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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    Suite: les Devoni sont jman et son père, (mère Cherryl_Montgommery), qui m'intéressent pour leur part finlandaise. Tim_G est Firemonkey. Mitchell doit être Mitchell_since_???.
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    Just out of curiosity:

    Code:
    Portuguese reference
    
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
       Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3585 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12514
                             1.574898                          1.900678
     Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7498    Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3982
                             2.123379                          2.145079
       Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3983 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12515
                             2.211217                          2.229862
                Iberia_North_IA:I3759    Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3981
                             2.242448                          2.350105
    
    [1] "distance%=0.7075"
    
             Portuguese
    
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE,27.8
    Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE,25
    Iberia_North_IA,16.2
    Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE,12.8
    England_IA,6.2
    Hallstatt_Bylany,5.6
    Levanluhta_IA_o,3
    Sweden_IA,1.8
    Balkans_IA,1.2
    Altai_IA,0.2
    Saidu_Sharif_IA,0.2
    
    
    
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    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
       Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3585    Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3582
                             1.582751                          2.271277
       Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE:I3981  Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7498
                             2.281250                          2.386064
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12514    Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3983
                             2.390377                          2.448101
       Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3982  Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7457
                             2.496277                          2.571517
    
    
    [1] "distance%=1.2907"
    
             MrsRuderico
    
    Iberia_Southeast_c.5-8CE,61.6
    Iberia_North_IA,13.4
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE,9.6
    Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE,3.6
    Levanluhta_IA_o,3.6
    England_IA,3.4
    Hallstatt_Bylany,3.2
    Altai_IA,1
    Kazakhstan_Nomad_IA,0.2
    Saidu_Sharif_IA_o,0.2
    Sweden_IA,0.2
    
    
    
    Moi-même
    
    [1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12515  Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7425
                             2.121768                          2.197021
       Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE:I3982             Iberia_North_IA:I3758
                             2.198318                          2.291201
     Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7424            Hallstatt_Bylany:DA111
                             2.357456                          2.420269
     Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I7498 Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE:I12514
                             2.522201                          2.528695
    
    [1] "distance%=1.3312"
    
             Ruderico
    
    Iberia_Southeast_c.10-16CE,38
    Iberia_Southeast_c.3-4CE,19.2
    Hallstatt_Bylany,17.6
    Iberia_North_IA,17
    England_IA,6.4
    Sweden_IA,1
    Balkans_IA,0.8
    Guess who's the outlier here
    Last edited by Ruderico; 08-18-2019 at 10:45 PM.
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y168273 (Scythian/Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
    Hidden Content

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    Quote Originally Posted by fabrice E View Post
    Code:
    ,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC12,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC22,PC23,PC24,PC25
    Grecque:CL38,0.101303,0.144205,-0.018856,-0.055556,0.007386,-0.016455,-0.00846,-0.008538,-0.004704,0.014397,0.004709,0.009591,-0.00996,-0.005643,-0.014251,0.000928,0.010561,0,-0.002263,0.001251,0.001123,0.006306,-0.002095,0.010001,0.008023
    Italie:SZ36,0.117238,0.148267,0.011691,-0.025517,0.028313,-0.010319,0.003525,0.006923,0.00225,0.02041,0.003085,-0.000599,-0.009663,-0.004679,-0.001357,0.005834,0.00326,-0.000887,0.000377,0.001501,-0.008111,0.004451,0.006779,0.001566,-0.000479
    Germanie_Rhétie:STR_220,0.121791,0.132019,0.051288,0.04199,0.037238,0.015618,0.013396,0.009461,-0.001636,-0.002916,-0.014128,-0.001499,-0.00996,0.002477,0.014386,-0.003845,-0.004563,-0.000127,0.001508,0.012006,0.003369,0.003957,0.002588,0.011568,-0.003952
    Gaule:CL102,0.134311,0.141159,0.048649,0.015181,0.041546,0.01255,0.00235,0.001846,0.003068,0.017859,-0.001786,0.006744,-0.014569,-0.003303,0.008415,0.010607,0.01017,0.005828,0.005782,0.008129,0.00861,-0.002968,-0.006902,0.013857,-0.004431
    Brittanie:O4-I0777,0.135449,0.136081,0.063356,0.050388,0.040315,0.019522,0.006345,0.009461,0.01084,0.000182,-0.005196,0.001349,-0.003271,-0.020781,0.017101,0.020551,0.00326,0.002154,0.004777,0.008129,0.003993,0.00643,-0.00949,0.011929,-0.002754
    Hispanie_Baetique:I3982,0.084229,0.147252,0.030924,-0.027132,0.044931,-0.021475,-0.00047,0.004154,0.030883,0.041914,-0.006333,0.004196,-0.00669,-0.010322,0.00665,-0.005436,-0.013951,-0.006588,-0.011816,-5e-04,0.001622,-0.006306,0.005423,-0.006145,-0.003712
    Hispanie_Tarraco:I7673,0.111547,0.147252,0.038843,0.009044,0.047701,-0.001394,-0.00376,0.010615,0.027202,0.02934,-0.007795,0.005395,-0.006838,-0.003441,0.008143,0.001193,-0.021513,0.003421,-0.006536,0.005753,-0.001373,0.011005,-0.010969,0.003374,-0.005269
    scaled, comme d'habitude, et c'est bien code qu'il faut employer pour éviter les espaces ? ça a l'air ok
    Voici ce que j'obtiens avec mes parents:


    ᾽Άλλο δέ τοι ἐρέω, σὺ δ᾽ ἐνὶ φρεσὶ βάλλεο σῇσιν:
    κρύβδην, μηδ᾽ ἀναφανδά, φίλην ἐς πατρίδα γαῖαν
    νῆα κατισχέμεναι: ἐπεὶ οὐκέτι πιστὰ γυναιξίν.


    -Αγαμέμνων; H Οδύσσεια, Ραψωδία λ

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    Sheet direct sur Vahaduo, ca donne ceci, vous en comparaison?

    AnglesIA2019 - Conq and wife.PNG
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    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
    K36: French East/German South/Swiss German 33%, French North East/Belgian/German West 31%, French North Central 21%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 9%, French South/ French Basque 6%
    K16: German 50%, French North West 19%, French North East 11%, Irish/English 11%, French South 9%

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    Les echantillons scythes (scy301, scy305 etc,) et thraciens (i5769) de l'age de fer bonifiraient probablement ta sheet, surtout pour analyser les "francais".
    K8: French East/German South/Austrian 26%, French North East/Belgian/German West 25%, French North 25%, Irish/Scottish/Welsh 10%, French South/French Basque 9%, German East/Czech/Austrian 5%
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    K16: German 50%, French North West 19%, French North East 11%, Irish/English 11%, French South 9%

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    Quote Originally Posted by anglesqueville View Post
    J'ai sauvé les résultats en .csv, et fait tourner un PCA sous Past3. Résultat:

    Attachment 32530

    Ensuite j'ai recommencé en ajoutant au fichier-cible un groupe d'individus modernes (Les + rouges). Bien sûr, le PCA sont plus ou moins informatifs suivant les groupes ajoutés. Très informatifs: est-allemands et estoniens.

    Attachment 32531
    Attachment 32532
    Thanks for adding me to the plot. I’m having a hard time grasping what this is showing. It seems users look to be randomly scattered about on the Pca regardless of origin. Can you help me out what this is showing?
    AncestryDNA results:
    England, Wales, & NW Europe 71%
    Ireland & Scotland 24%
    Norway 2%
    Sweden 2%
    Cameroon, Congo 1%

    23&me results:
    British & Irish 62.9%
    French & German 15.0%
    Scandinavian 0.9%
    Broadly Northwestern European 19.4%
    Broadly Southern European 0.9%
    Broadly European 0.1%
    Sub-Saharan African 0.7%

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    Bon... comme je disais, il s'agissait pour moi essentiellement de voir combien de temps ce travail prendrait avec Vahaduo, en comparaison de la même chose directement sur R, et au passage de tester le comportement de ce programme face à un gros fichier cible. Bref, je testais l'outil, point-barre. Ceux qui pensent qu'un "calculateur" pourrait en sortir sont bien évidemment libres d'ajouter des sources (j'ai simplement oublié les Scythes), et d'en enlever. Je serais personnellement tenté de virer les nomades du Kazakhstan, par exemple. Je ne pense pas que les individus soient "aléatoirement distribués sur les PCAs, sans égard pour leur origine" (Garimund). En particulier les attractions diverses des groupes sud-européens et nord-est européens (pour les quelques individus intéressés) semblent assez cohérentes. Mais évidemment, pour la grosse masse des individus, qui se retrouvent fatalement dans le "bazar du Nord-ouest", avec son monstrueux overlapping, il n'y a aucun miracle à attendre. Bref il y aurait de toute manière encore du travail pour sortir de cette étude grossière un "calculateur IA unscaled". Ma seule conclusion: pour les artisans de calculateurs sur base G25, Vahaduo est une aubaine, et je renouvelle mes félicitations à l'auteur (inconnu).
    En North alom, de North venom
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    Quelle est la différence entre Hispanie Baetique et Hispanie Tarraco?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    Quelle est la différence entre Hispanie Baetique et Hispanie Tarraco?
    The former is from the Roman period with inflated amounts of north African ancestry (which I suspect is tied with the former kingdom of Tartessos, but who knows), the latter is an early medieval Iberian
    YDNA - E-Y31991>PF4428>Y134097>Y168273 (Scythian/Sarmatian). Domingos Rodrigues, b. circa 1680 Hidden Content , Viana do Castelo, Portugal
    mtDNA - H20. Maria Josefa de Almeida, b. circa 1750 Hidden Content , Porto, Portugal

    Global25 PCA West Eurasia dataset Hidden Content
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    Quote Originally Posted by Camulogène Rix View Post
    Knowledgeable persons are always welcome here and your "Modern Europe" calculator is certainly one of the best, at least for the cases I know.
    I prefer to think of myself as a loose cannon. Sometimes I hit the target but is it by luck or judgement...

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