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  1. #21
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    Germanic, Slavic, Baltic
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    Poland Pomerania Denmark France Sweden Russia Imperial Germany
    Haplogroup: R-M198
    Subclade: R-L365

    A genetic story of your fatherline

    An ancient branch of the R1a fatherline.

    Your fatherline signature belongs to the R-M198 group.

    R-M198 (also known as R1a1a or R-M512) is a branch of the larger R1a fatherline, a haplogroup that is found across Europe and West Asia (Horvath 2016). R1a is found in particularly high concentrations in Eastern Europe (approaching 60% in Poland for example) (ISOGG 2018). R1a is thought to have branched off from another fatherline (R1) shortly after the Last Glacial Maximum, the coldest era of the last Ice Age, approximately 26,500 years ago (Hay 2018). This probably occurred somewhere in the Eurasian steppeland, quite possibly in Siberia or Central Asia (Horvath 2016). R1a is thought to have been one of the predominant fatherlines in the early Bronze Age proto-Indo-Europeans that lived around the modern day Ukraine and migrated outwards as far westwards as Spain, and as far eastwards as India (Hay 2018).

    We know this because we can now test the DNA found in bodies in archaeological sites, even from thousands of years ago. Ancient DNA testing has confirmed the presence of haplogroup R1a1a in samples from the Corded Ware culture in Germany (2600 BCE), from Tocharian mummies (2000 BCE) in Northwest China, from Kurgan burials (circa 1600 BCE) from the Andronovo culture in southern Russia and southern Siberia, as well as from a variety of Iron-age sites from Russia, Siberia, Mongolia and Central Asia (Hay 2018).

    Who were the people who carried your signature?
    The group of Indo-Europeans that first forayed into much of Northeast and Central Europe are now known as the Corded Ware Culture (Lougas et al. 2016). This name was given to these people by archaeologists, due to the elaborate and intricate cord-like patterns found on much of their pottery (Bågenholm 1995). It is believed that these are some of the first Europeans to make widespread use of dairy products in their diet (Itan et al. 2009). We know this from chemical analysis of the shards of pottery that have been found (Roffet-Salque et al. 2016). It is likely that this is also where the gene that allows the majority of Europeans today to be able to digest lactose developed (Itan et al. 2009). It is thought that both the Germanic and Slavic language families were disseminated across Europe by the Corded Ware culture, who spoke a language that is an ancestor to both of these tongues (Renfrew 1989).

    It is worth noting that like many groups of peoples dubbed ‘cultures’ by archaeologists, the Corded Ware people were not a unified lot. Across the area in which they were found (a broad swath of European territory which includes Germany, Scandinavia, and Eastern Europe) there were many different sub-cultures, each with their own customs, ways of life, unique rituals, and distinctive archaeological records that help distinguish them today.

    ISOGG (2018) Y-DNA Haplogroup R and its Subclades. [ONLINE]
    Horvath, C.B., 2016. R1a Subclades and Bronze Age migrations on the Eurasian Steppes. European Scientific Journal, ESJ, 11(10).
    Coles, J.M. and Harding, A.F. eds., 2014. The Bronze Age in Europe: An introduction to the prehistory of Europe c. 2000-700 BC (Vol. 18). Routledge.
    Kristiansen, K. and Larsson, T.B., 2005. The rise of Bronze Age society: travels, transmissions and transformations. Cambridge University Press.
    Lougas, L., Kriiska, A. and Maldre, L., 2016. New dates for the Late Neolithic Corded Ware Culture burials and early husbandry in the East Baltic region. Archaeofauna, (16).
    Bågenholm, G., 1995. Corded Ware ceramics in Finland and Sweden. Fennoscandia Archaeologica, 12, pp.19-23.
    Hay, M. 2017. Haplogroup R1a (Y-DNA). [ONLINE]
    Itan, Y., et al., 2009. The origins of lactase persistence in Europe. PLoS Comput Biol, 5(8), p.e1000491.
    Renfrew, C., 1989. The origins of Indo-European languages. Scientific American, 261(4), pp.106-115.
    Roffet-Salque, M., et al, 2016. From the inside out: Upscaling organic residue analyses of archaeological ceramics. Journal of Archaeological Science: Reports.
    Maternal grandfather: born in Leningrad Oblast, Russia
    Maternal grandmother: born in Centre-Val de Loire, France - earliest documented ancestor (1770) Indre, France
    Paternal grandmother: born in the US - earliest documented ancestors (c. 1800) Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Lower Saxony
    Paternal grandfather: born in the US - paternal grandparents born in Danzig (c. 1854), maternal grandparents born in Kolding, Denmark 1875, maternal great grandma born in Lindberg, Sweden 1849

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    It would be redundant to repost the R-M198 story, but I've got the same problem of a broad R-Z282, yet my older son is R-Z283 and younger son is R-Z284. I was confused about the downstream issue and don't know much about the Y Full website, but Gedmatch verifies my sons aren't bastards. Due to the R-Z284 of my younger son, it also proves that family tradition ties us to the Domesday Book founder of our village and his Swedish origin in the reign of King Knut, when three runestones are dated in my forefathers' names. Furthermore, my Domesday ancestor's name is only found in Finland otherwise, on the Swedish coast. My Domesday forefather named our village after his Viking wife, our foremother (of our village, even though not my mtDNA, which is Anglo-Saxon K2a5a from South of the Humber), who co-owned with him a previous manor on her father's land. I've known of our Viking roots since 1990 or 1991, but didn't know if they were Denmark or Norway, as both were in Yorkshire. I was pleasantly surprised in 2008 to read the paper trail leading to Sweden, as I suspected since 2003. This blood trail confirms all of that.
    Last edited by Björnsson; 09-11-2019 at 01:05 AM.

  4. #23
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    Ashkenazi, German, Romani
    Y-DNA (P)
    H-M82 (Roma)
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    Haplogroup: H-M82
    Subclade: H-M2972

    A genetic story of your fatherline
    A branch of the H fatherline that is predominantly associated with the Indian subcontinent.

    Your fatherline signature belongs to the H1a1 group.

    H1a1 is a branch of the larger H fatherline, which itself is predominantly associated with the population of the Indian subcontinent (Haber et al. 2012). It is believed that the H fatherline is one of the earliest haplogroups found commonly in the continent today, having been present before the Indo-European expansions at the dawn of the Bronze Age (Cordaux et al. 2004). This would mean that the H fatherline is associated with the earliest Stone Age hunter gatherers of India - which would help explain why it is found across many different ethnicities, castes, and tribes within the subcontinent today (Cordaux et al. 2004). It is also found at lower frequencies across the Indian Ocean from Arabia to Southeast Asia, which is no surprise given the long history of extensive maritime trade in this part of the world (Rai et al. 2012).

    H1a1 is also known as H-M82, and like most branches of H, is found within India (Hay 2017). Yet this branch is also extremely prevalent within the Romani people who are found mostly across Europe today, in places as widespread as Lithuania, Romania, and Spain (Lallanilla 2013). This is no coincidence - the Romani are descendants of a Hindi people who appear to have begun a long migration westwards approximately 1500 years ago (Gresham et al. 2001).

    Who were the people who carried your signature?
    The Romani are a nomadic ethnic group with Indian origins (Rai et al. 2012). This had been hypothesised for a long time before genetic tests were able to confirm any link - the Romani language is very similar to Hindi, Bengali, and Punjabi (Matras 1995). It is estimated that there are between 4-10 million Romani people living in Europe today, mostly in Central and Southeastern Europe (Gresham et al. 2001). Whilst it is now fairly undisputed that they came from India, it is not known exactly why this migration occurred (Hancock 2008). Some have suggested that they may be descendants of a military group that left India following an unsuccessful war (Hancock 2008). Others suggest that the name ‘Romani’ is derived from a Hindi word for musician, indicating that these people were wandering entertainers (Lee 2008). What is known is that the Romani are documented to have been present in the Byzantine Empire (the rump of the old Roman Empire based around modern day Greece, Turkey, and the Balkans) from around 1000 years ago (Hancock 2008).

    Whilst H1a1 is found outside of Romani populations within Europe, this is only the case in countries where the Romani live or have historically lived. It can be surmised that non-Romani people with a H1a1 fatherline have Romani ancestors, indicating that the Romani have to some extent intermixed with the local populations over generations (Hay 2017).

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