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    Anyone else notice that private variants for other subclades aren’t showing anymore on the Block Tree? This is disappointing because I found this information useful for seeing variable snp mutation rates for various patrilineal lines.
    Haplogroup I, I1

    DF29: ool009 Skane, Sweden 1930-1750 BCE

    Z58, Z59, Z2041, Z2040, Z382

    S26361: VK532 Zealand, Denmark 200-375 CE

    S16414, FGC24354, FGC24357, FGC24356, S10350

    FGC75802/BY19383: VK446 Funen, Denmark 800-1050 CE

    Y125947, S21197, BY149414, BY188003, BY188570

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    Yes, I did. It also looks like the left hand bar that has the total number of SNPs has changed position, too.

    Edit: it appears to be up and running now.
    Last edited by JMcB; 06-28-2019 at 06:04 PM.
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Is there anyway to find out who one of your block mates are? Including myself there are seven of us on the FGC23196 block. 5 of us are on further downstream blocks. Two kits are still at the parent block. One kit has a French flag, this person I have communicated with. The second kit has an Italian flag. I never knew of this kit as they are not in the DF27 project nor have they submitted their results to Yfull or the Big Tree. As there anyway to find out who they are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    Is there anyway to find out who one of your block mates are? Including myself there are seven of us on the FGC23196 block. 5 of us are on further downstream blocks. Two kits are still at the parent block. One kit has a French flag, this person I have communicated with. The second kit has an Italian flag. I never knew of this kit as they are not in the DF27 project nor have they submitted their results to Yfull or the Big Tree. As there anyway to find out who they are?
    Perhaps, a shot in the dark but have you tried filtering your STR matches for someone with a Big Y test and an Italian MDKA?
    Paper Trail: 42.25% English, 31.25% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French. Or: 86% British Isles, 6.25% German, 6.25% Italian & 1.5% French.
    LDNA(c): 86.3% British Isles (48.6% English, 37.7% Scottish & Irish), 7.8% NW Germanic, 5.9% Europe South (Aegean 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%)
    BigY 700: I1-Z140 >I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >FT80854 (circa 1650 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMcB View Post
    Perhaps, a shot in the dark but have you tried filtering your STR matches for someone with a Big Y test and an Italian MDKA?
    I did and they must not be a 12 marker match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rms2 View Post
    Personally, I don't find the "myOrigins" part of the new Big Y Block Tree all that important, at least not to me. Most of one's autosomal dna comes from places other than the single line of males who comprise the y-chromosome line. Even really close Big Y matches can differ significantly on autosomal dna depending upon what this or that ancestor's mother was like.

    Now, if they wanted to throw some ancient dna results into the tree, like maybe a few exemplars here and there on the y-chromosome line, that would be cool.
    I came here to ask what the Origins thing referred to, and this thread helpfully answered my questions. I agree with the above, though.

    My dad has only one BigY match, and it's more relevant that the match is in England and English as far back as he knows (not that far, however), and that my dad's patrilineal line is also in England as of the 1700s.

    It's not that relevant that they average:

    69% British Isles
    13.5% West and Central Europe
    7% Scandinavia
    7% East Europe
    2% South Europe
    1% Other

    Since there are only two of them, this does let me see that my dad's English match is apparently:

    63% British Isles
    27% West and Central Europe
    10% Scandinavia

    But that doesn't help me for Y-line research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msmarjoribanks View Post
    I came here to ask what the Origins thing referred to, and this thread helpfully answered my questions. I agree with the above, though.

    My dad has only one BigY match, and it's more relevant that the match is in England and English as far back as he knows (not that far, however), and that my dad's patrilineal line is also in England as of the 1700s.

    It's not that relevant that they average:

    69% British Isles
    13.5% West and Central Europe
    7% Scandinavia
    7% East Europe
    2% South Europe
    1% Other

    Since there are only two of them, this does let me see that my dad's English match is apparently:

    63% British Isles
    27% West and Central Europe
    10% Scandinavia

    But that doesn't help me for Y-line research.
    We need more granular breakdowns to get much use of this... but I am pretty sure they will have to deliver this.
    I have seen pretty cool cases of origins that differentiate but those cases were not British Isles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Webb View Post
    Is there anyway to find out who one of your block mates are? Including myself there are seven of us on the FGC23196 block. 5 of us are on further downstream blocks. Two kits are still at the parent block. One kit has a French flag, this person I have communicated with. The second kit has an Italian flag. I never knew of this kit as they are not in the DF27 project nor have they submitted their results to Yfull or the Big Tree. As there anyway to find out who they are?
    I take it you have not seen this person on any of your Y111 (down to Y12) matching displays? The haplogroup labels show up on the matching displays.
    Another thing to do is just an internet search on "FTDNA R-FGC23196" or a couple of variations. Make sure to use the lead haplogroup label for the block that FTDNA uses.
    I checked and they do use that label.
    https://www.familytreedna.com/public...ame=R-FGC23196

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    There hasn't been any activity on this thread since September (four months), and even then I think most of the interest had actually migrated to the BigY-700 thread. So for reference, that was over here: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....0xM#post613598

    For several years I was largely tied up at the DF27 haplogroup level. But in my own surname project (small, because the name isn't common) there has lately been some clearing away of the genealogical weeds, with FTDNA's growing database and the much improved testing (700 versus the older versions of BigY). One of the most interesting places for surname project admins to look, it seems to me, is this Block Tree.

    I particularly like the feature (pioneered by Alex's Big Tree) whereby one may zoom out -- ergo, deeper in time, and broader in geographical scope -- one phylogenetic step at a time. Some hints about our origins and migrations (from tradition, or from very sketchy documentation) can get strong support, if the little flag symbols begin to cluster with clear patterns. And of course, can get stronger arguments against, if they don't. In our project, the results have tended to confirm tradition -- apart from some nearly universal legends (of Indian princesses, or a similar tale from some other ethnicity; three brothers; lost or buried wealth; "Black Dutch;" correction of the surname spelling to its former noble version, and the like).

    The tested members' self-selected flags of current European nations can be kind of silly, in discussions revolving around the repopulation of western Europe after the LGM (as an example). But the modern flags are a lot more widely accessible as points of reference than some sort of code for archaeological culture (LBK, BB, GAC) or genetic pool (WHG and so on). I think the FTDNA Block Tree is a good tool -- and fairly rapidly getting better -- for our inherently patrilineal surname projects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razyn View Post
    There hasn't been any activity on this thread since September (four months), and even then I think most of the interest had actually migrated to the BigY-700 thread. So for reference, that was over here: https://anthrogenica.com/showthread....0xM#post613598

    For several years I was largely tied up at the DF27 haplogroup level. But in my own surname project (small, because the name isn't common) there has lately been some clearing away of the genealogical weeds, with FTDNA's growing database and the much improved testing (700 versus the older versions of BigY). One of the most interesting places for surname project admins to look, it seems to me, is this Block Tree.

    I particularly like the feature (pioneered by Alex's Big Tree) whereby one may zoom out -- ergo, deeper in time, and broader in geographical scope -- one phylogenetic step at a time. Some hints about our origins and migrations (from tradition, or from very sketchy documentation) can get strong support, if the little flag symbols begin to cluster with clear patterns. And of course, can get stronger arguments against, if they don't. In our project, the results have tended to confirm tradition -- apart from some nearly universal legends (of Indian princesses, or a similar tale from some other ethnicity; three brothers; lost or buried wealth; "Black Dutch;" correction of the surname spelling to its former noble version, and the like).

    The tested members' self-selected flags of current European nations can be kind of silly, in discussions revolving around the repopulation of western Europe after the LGM (as an example). But the modern flags are a lot more widely accessible as points of reference than some sort of code for archaeological culture (LBK, BB, GAC) or genetic pool (WHG and so on)
    . I think the FTDNA Block Tree is a good tool -- and fairly rapidly getting better -- for our inherently patrilineal surname projects.
    From my own little subclade corner under DF19>>>Z17112>BY44243, the blocktree feature makes this easy to pull up. It's all just circumstantial evidence, but I'm pretty sure the subclade didn't form in the Iberian Peninsula:

    Germany 20* 44.44%
    England 6 13.33%
    United States 5 11.11%
    Scotland 3 6.67%
    United Kingdom 2 4.44%
    Ireland 2 4.44%
    Sweden 1 2.22%
    Poland 1 2.22%
    Norway 1 2.22%
    Denmark 1 2.22%
    Belgium 1 2.22%
    Austria 1 2.22%
    France 1* 2.22%
    Unknown Origin 0 19 19 **
    Total 64 100.00%

    *The "French" one had a member list a MDKA in Strasbourg, Alsace, in the 1600s, but records show that person's parents and grandparents were probably from SW Hesse.
    R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>BY44243

    Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583;
    John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593;
    John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635

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