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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    I do not understand how they got the % in your SNP

    I have only 2 on my SNP .......... 1 England and 1 Italian...yet I get

    43% British
    27% SE-Europe
    12% Scandinavia
    6% eastern Europe

    all these areas for only 2 people ?...............or am I reading it wrong somewhere
    This is the average ethnicity estimate or myOrigins between all testers. If you click on the block, you can view the DNA matches included in the estimate. For my block/SNP the average between the four members are British Isles 74.00%, East Europe 9.71%, West and Central Europe 9.48%, Scandinavia 4.05% and Other (3 regions) 2.76% but all their paternal lines go back to Ireland.

    My dad gets 100% British Isles. I don't know what the other three matches get but I know on Ancestry one gets percentages in England, Ireland, Eastern Europe and Germany while the other match gets Ireland, England and Finland. The percentages seem to make sense for our group anyway.
    Last edited by FionnSneachta; 01-25-2019 at 01:19 PM.
    Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail ≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Y-DNA (M) ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (Uí Maine)
    mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    Paternal great grandfather (mt): Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cofgene View Post
    Roberta Estes in her blog about the tree provided a perfect example of how NOT to use the SNP information to estimate ages/SNP. She didn't even touch on what the basis is for age estimations in terms of WHICH snps are counted. Now all of less knowledgeable people in the community who follow her blog will go off and generate/utilize incorrect year/SNP estimates. Yet another informational flub by Estes.
    I actually agree with her take on aging SNPs as long as you don’t take the dates as absolute truths but more as helpful guidelines. 100 years per Ftdna SNP/Unnamed Variant is a reasonable average guideline in my opinion. Some faster mutating paternal lines might be closer to 50 years per SNP and some slower ones closer to 150. The more samples there are will definitely help average out the outliers. For example, downstream of I-FGC24357 there are 17 Subclades of which only 15 have kits. Out of those 15 subclades the SNPs/Variants vary from 11-19. The average for all 15 subclades is 15 SNPs/Unnamed variants. If we try to date FGC24357 individually it can vary from 1,100 ybp to 1,900 ybp which can make a big difference historically. However, I feel that 1,500 ybp is a reasonable date but definitely not a certainty.

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    I love the link of testers' myOrigins averages within each branch - big upgrade IMO from Williamson's tree.

    I wonder though how synced the two will remain - Alex is pretty fast and consistent at updating with newly uploaded kits, but FTDNA will of course have immediate access to new BigY tests. Stay tuned!
    Mum = 50% Irish, 50% Ukrainian (Romanian=?)
    Dad = 40% French-Canadian, 10% Irish, 50% English
    Big Y + YTree.net = R M269 -> DF27 -> Z195 -> FGC34881 -> FGC34865 (SW France; ~500 ybp)
    FTDNA mtDNA Full Sequence = J1c2e
    Most Distant Known Ancestor = Jean Moreau b. 1630s Parthenay, Deux-Sèvres, France
    Surnames = Welch, Chibry, Moreau, Todd, Anderson, Bedford, Joncas, Basaraba

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    I commend them for doing a nice job and also for listening to their customers. Who have been asking for improvements like this for a while. Apparently, the dating of branches is still in the works but the arrival of that feature remains uncertain. Although, as others have noted, you can do a rough calculation by using the numbers they’ve already presented.

    One thing I can’t figure out, is why “my origins” aren’t showing up. I’ve done a Family Finder test and all of my settings are set for sharing but my results don’t show up for some reason. Technically, I’m in my own subclade, even though I have a few matches, so I’m not sure if averaging is coming into play. Maybe they’ll come online later. We’ll see.
    Last edited by JMcB; 01-25-2019 at 04:02 PM.
    Known Paper Trail: 45.3% English, 29.7% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian. Or: 87.5% British Isles, 6.25% German & 6.25% Italian.
    LivingDNA: 88.1% British Isles (59.7% English, 27% Scottish & 1.3% Irish), 5.9% Europe South (Aegian 3.4%, Tuscany 1.3%, Sardinia 1.1%), 4.4% Europe NW (Scandinavia) & 1.6% Europe East, (Mordovia).
    FT Big Y: I1-Z140 branch I-F2642 >Y1966 >Y3649 >A13241 >Y3647 >A13248 (circa 620 AD) >A13242/YSEQ (circa 765 AD) >A13252/YSEQ (circa 1630 AD).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FionnSneachta View Post
    This is the average ethnicity estimate or myOrigins between all testers. If you click on the block, you can view the DNA matches included in the estimate. For my block/SNP the average between the four members are British Isles 74.00%, East Europe 9.71%, West and Central Europe 9.48%, Scandinavia 4.05% and Other (3 regions) 2.76% but all their paternal lines go back to Ireland.

    My dad gets 100% British Isles. I don't know what the other three matches get but I know on Ancestry one gets percentages in England, Ireland, Eastern Europe and Germany while the other match gets Ireland, England and Finland. The percentages seem to make sense for our group anyway.
    thanks

    it says 9 origins in the circle for my SNP.......not sure what that means
    and
    27 private variants in 2 people , again, what does it mean....a very old match?



    I excluded the SNP after my confirmed one as Yfull state I am negative for this marker and it is 500years younger , but Ftdna seem not to have done anything for this SNP and left it as a "you can test for it " .............this SNP is 45% finnish
    Since I am negative for this SNP, I will need to wait for both Ftdna and Yfull to create a new branch
    Last edited by vettor; 01-25-2019 at 05:39 PM.


    My Path = ( K-M9+, TL-P326+, T-M184+, L490+, M70+, PF5664+, L131+, L446+, CTS933+, CTS3767+, CTS8862+, Z19945+, Y70078+ )

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    thanks

    it says 9 origins in the circle for my SNP.......not sure what that means
    and
    27 private variants in 2 people , again, what does it mean....a very old match?



    I excluded the SNP after my confirmed one as Yfull state I am negative for this marker and it is 500years younger , but Ftdna seem not to have done anything for this SNP and left it as a "you can test for it " .............this SNP is 45% finnish
    Since I am negative for this SNP, I will need to wait for both Ftdna and Yfull to create a new branch
    The 9 origins are the total number of regional locations detected in the myOrigins test for the group such as British Isles, etc.

    The 27 private mutations means that the average between the members of the SNP block are 27 private mutations. For example, one person may have 25 private mutations and the other may have 29 private mutations. This would indicate an old match since having fewer private mutations would indicate a closer match.
    Ancestry: Ireland (Paper trail ≅ 81.25% Roscommon, 12.5% Galway, 6.25% Mayo)
    Y-DNA (M) ancestor (Y): Kelly b. c1830 in Co. Roscommon (Uí Maine)
    mtDNA (P) ancestor: Fleming b. c1831 in Co. Roscommon
    mtDNA (M) ancestor: McDermott b. c1814 in Co. Roscommon
    Paternal great grandfather (mt): Connella b. c1798 in Co. Roscommon (T2a1a8)

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    Sweet. And congratulations to Alex.

    So far all my kits are from descendants of P312 and U106 and recent cousins after the big expansion of about 4500 years ago. I wonder how it looks for people of really rare and divergent parts of the tree?

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    Ah, now I can I can maneuver around and see.

    Will they do anything similar with the MtDNA tree? Phylotree seems to update only every few years but FTDNA could certainly build a more complete tree then phylotree currently has up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vettor View Post
    I do not understand how they got the % in your SNP

    I have only 2 on my SNP .......... 1 England and 1 Italian...yet I get

    43% British
    27% SE-Europe
    12% Scandinavia
    6% eastern Europe

    all these areas for only 2 people ?...............or am I reading it wrong somewhere
    I had the same question. I think that the algorithms used by FTDNA result in not every person with your SNP branch being considered a "match." If so, there are others at each branch who are not listed. These others are taken into account when FTDNA calculates the percentages.

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